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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

nicce wrote: post #91
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

In the past, you had to put a lot of effort to produce a text which seemed to be high quality, especially when you knew nothing about the subject. By the look of text and the usage of the words, you could tell how professional the writer was and you had some confidence that the writer knew something about the subject. Now, that is completely removed. There is no easy filter anymore. While the professional looking tex…

Although presently at least it's still quite obvious when something is written by AI.

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Post by gizmo »

foolofat00k wrote: post #217
gizmo wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A toddler's crayon art doesn't end up in the Louvre, nor does AI slop. Most art is bad art and it's been this way since the dawn of humanity. For as long as we can distinguish good art from bad art we can curate and there is nothing to worry about.

That's just the problem -- you can't. Not because you can't distinguish between _one_ bad piece and _one_ good piece, but because there is so much production capacity that no human will ever be able to look at most of it. And it's not just the AI stuff that will suffer here, all of it goes into the same pool, and humans sample from that pool (using various methodologies). At some point the pool becomes mostly urine.

My email inbox is already 99% spam (urine) and I don't see any of it. The bottom line is that if a human can easily recognize AI spam then so can another AI. This has always been an arms race with spammers on one side and curators on the other. No reason to assume spammers will start winning when they have been losing for decades.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

nicce wrote: post #91
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

In the past, you had to put a lot of effort to produce a text which seemed to be high quality, especially when you knew nothing about the subject. By the look of text and the usage of the words, you could tell how professional the writer was and you had some confidence that the writer knew something about the subject. Now, that is completely removed. There is no easy filter anymore. While the professional looking tex…

Although, there were already before tons of "technical influencers" before that who excelled at writing, but didn't know deeply what they were writing about.

They give a superficially smart look, but really they regurgitate without deep understanding.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by throwaway13337 »

I get it. The last two decades have soured us all on the benefits of tech progress.

But the previous decades were marked by tech optimism.

The difference here is the shift to marketing. The largest tech companies are gatekeepers for our attention.

The most valuable tech created in the last two decades was not in service of us but to manipulate us.

Previously, the customer of the software was the one buying it. Our lives improved.

The next wave of tech now on the horizon gives us an opportunity to change the course we’ve been on.

I’m not convinced there is political will to regulate manipulation in a way that does more good than harm.

Instead, we need to show a path to profitability through products that are not manipulative.

The most effective thing we can do, as developers and business creators, is to again make products aligned with our customers.

The good news is that the market for honest software has never been better. A good chunk of people are finally learning not to trust VC-backed companies that give away free products.

Generative AI provides an opportunity for tiny companies to provide real value in a new way that people will pay for.

The way forward is:

1. Do not accept VC. Bootstrap.

2. Legally bind your company to not productizing your customer.

3. Tell everyone what you’re doing.

It’s not AI that’s the problem. It’s the way we have been doing business.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

DanHulton wrote: post #215
koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

I sincerely worry about a future when most people act in this same manner. You have - for now - sufficient experience and understanding to be able to review the AI's code and decide if it was doing what you wanted it to. But what about when you've spent months just blindly accepting" what the AI tells you? Are you going to be familiar enough with the project anymore to catch its little mistakes? Or worse, what about…

If we keep at this LLM-does-all-out-hard-work for us, we’re going to end up with some kind of Warhammer 40k tech-priest-blessing-the-magic-machines level of understanding, where nobody actually understands anything, and we’re technologically stunted, but hey at least we don’t have the warp to contend with and some shareholders got rich at our expense.

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Post by EGreg »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

I have been predicting this from 2016

And I also predict that many responses to you will say “it was always that way, nothing changed”.

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Post by WalterBright »

sandworm101 wrote: post #208
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>> cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. You never should have. Large amounts of work, even stuff by major authors, is ghostwritten. I was talking to someone about Taylor Swift recently. They thought that she wrote all her songs. I commented that one cannot really know that, that the entertainment industry is very going at generating seemingly "authenti…

Watch the movie "The Wrecking Crew" about how a group of studio musicians in the 1970s were responsible for the albums of quite a few diverse "bands". Many bands had to then learn to play their own songs so they could go on tour.

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Post by bad_user »

Roark66 wrote: post #352
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die Do you think AI has changed that in any way? I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s. It is around that time when Google stopped pretending they are a search company and focused on their pr…

You're attributing too much to Google.

Bots are now blocked because they've been abusive. When you host content on the internet, it's not fun to have bots bring your server down or inflate your bandwidth price. Google's bot is actually quite well-behaved. The other problem has been the recent trend in AI, and I can understand blockers being put in place, since AI is essentially plagiarizing content without attribution. But I'd blame OpenAI more at this point.

I also don't think you can blame Google for the centralization behind closed gardens. Or for why people no longer link to other websites. That's ridiculous.

And you should be attributing them the fact that the web is still alive.

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Post by bamboozled »

gizmo wrote: post #172
Gigachad wrote: post #109

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Why do we need art to be 10000x cheaper? There was already more than enough art being produced. Now we just have infinite waves of slop drowning out everything that’s actually good.

A toddler's crayon art doesn't end up in the Louvre, nor does AI slop. Most art is bad art and it's been this way since the dawn of humanity. For as long as we can distinguish good art from bad art we can curate and there is nothing to worry about.

What even is "bad art" or "good art" ? Art is art, there is no classifier. Certain art works might have mass appeal or something, but I don't really think it can be put into boxes like that.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

layer8 wrote: post #268
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #232

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I don't use AI in my own blogging, but then, I don't particularly care whether or not someone reads my stuff (the ones that do, seem to like it). I have used it, from time to time, to help polish stuff like marketing fluff for the App Store, but I'd never use it verbatim. I generally use it to polish a paragraph or sentence. But AI hasn't suddenly injected untrustworthy prose into the world. We've been doing that, fo…

> marketing fluff for the App Store If it’s fluff, why do you put it there? As an App Store user, I‘m not interested in reading marketing fluff.

Because it’s required?

I’ve released over 20 apps, over the years, and have learned to add some basic stuff to each app.

Truth be told, it was really sort of a self-deprecating joke.

I’m not a marketer, so I don’t have the training to write the kind of stuff users expect on the Store, and could use all the help I can get

Over the years, I’ve learned that owning my limitations, can be even more important, than knowing my strengths.

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