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Smart TVs take snapshots of what you watch multiple times per second

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If you live in the EU, certainly you first have to give consent to that practice, right?

That's why these days even TVs have cookie banners.

Most of them by default push you to accept and I guess that they are illegal under GDPR (the same happens on the web) but until we start seeing fine going down heavily the situation won't change.

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Smart TVs are a curse (from a consumer perspective). A separate smart device makes much more sense. People usually replaced their TVs when they broke, which could be 6-8+ years. Nowadays as their already slow hardware becomes even more obsolete, streaming apps are no longer updated and start to break, new ones are not released, etc. they go ahead and buy a new one. You also have to accept all kinds of crappy agreemen…

While a separate smart device makes more sense from an ecological perspective, it won't save you from ads, tracking, screenshots etc., as long as the same OS that would be running on the TV is running on the device. And, if you want to install apps from streaming services, you need one of the supported OSs - AFAIK most smart devices use Android TV?

One benefit of a separate device, especially a small one like a Roku or Firestick, is you can take it on holiday with you to access all your services while away (assuming your destination has a TV with HDMI).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With smart boxes you have much more options. I'm thinking a stipped down android TV box doesn't make screenshots and track you like most smart TVs do, they also don't serve random ads on the home page.

Apple TV is really your best option if you want privacy. Google is primarily an ad company that wants to learn as much about you as possible to target those ads.

Just because Apple promises? There is actually zero evidence that apple is any better for privacy. Your absolute best option is something like a raspberry pi with an open source OS.

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I'm in the market for a new TV. Is there any source that lists models that do NOT engage in this sort of spying? I am willing to pay a significant premium and forego convenience features, but I lack the expertise to review products myself.

The last LG I used had a nag popup about once a week.

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Is there a list of those models somewhere? The article is partially paywalled and hard to say which ones.

I think, at this point, we can assume if it has a camera, microphone in the controller, connects to wifi, etc, it will be spying on you in some way. No list needed, just look for displays without those features. I get around it by using PC displays as televisions, usually hooked up to a thinclient or SBC that I've purpose for media delivery. So, when I shop for a display, any feature beyond an HDMI port becomes wholl…

That's kind of bull though, because it's absolutely not true for Samsung or LG lines of TVs.

If it's so "easy to assume", surely you can point at some exact models?

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Is there a list of those models somewhere? The article is partially paywalled and hard to say which ones.

If it has any smart features at all, you can be pretty sure that it's spying on you in all sorts of ways.

We're talking about TVs that take screenshots - which models do that?

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Sounds like wholesale copyright theft to me.

I think they are just generating fingerprints of the video data on the device. Then they send it to the cloud where they compare it with a huge database of TV shows, etc. Similar to what Shazam does for music.

You raise a valid point!

but if you read the https://www.disneyplus.com/en-gb/legal/disney-terms-of-use terms of use (which you can't copy and paste easily):

> you may download one copy of such Content to a single computer or mobile device (as applicable) for your personal, non-commercial home use only, provided that you (a) keep intact all copyright and other proprietary notices, (b) make no modifications to, and do not rent, lease, loan, sell, distribute, copy (except to create a single copy for your own back-up purposes), or create any derivative works based on a Site or the Content, in whole or in part,

I would say thats commercial derivative works.

I think shazam had to agree permissions to sample works for fingerprinting.

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I'm in the market for a new TV. Is there any source that lists models that do NOT engage in this sort of spying? I am willing to pay a significant premium and forego convenience features, but I lack the expertise to review products myself.

Just don't connect it to your network and you're probably fine. Use a smart box for streaming services.

How do you know the smart box is not doing the same thing?
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