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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by diggan »

Gigachad wrote: post #142
thewarrior wrote: post #136

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It’s writing most of my code now. Even if it’s existing code you can feed in the 1-2 files in question and iterate on them. Works quite well as long as you break it down a bit. It’s not gas lighting the latest versions of GPT, Claude, Lama have gotten quite good

These tools must be absolutely massively better than whatever Microsoft has then because I’ve found that GitHub copilot provides negative value, I’d be more productive just turning it off rather than auditing it’s incorrect answers hoping one day it’s as good as people market it as.

> These tools must be absolutely massively better than whatever Microsoft has then

I haven't used anything from Microsoft (including Copilot) so not sure how it compares, but compared to any local model I've been able to load, and various other remote 3rd party ones (like Claude), no one comes near to GPT4 from OpenAI, especially for coding. Maybe give that a try if you can.

It still produces overly verbose code and doesn't really think about structure well (kind of like a junior programmer), but with good prompting you can kind of address that somewhat.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by ImHereToVote »

thesz wrote: post #103
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

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What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

Propaganda works by repeating the same in different forms. Now it is easier to have different forms of the same, hence, more propaganda. Also, it is much easier to iinfluence whatever people write by influencing the tool they use to write. Imagine that AI tools sway generated sentences to be slightly close, in summarisation space, to the phrase "eat dirt" or anything. What would happen?

Hopefully people will exercise more judgement now that every Tom, Dick, and Harry scam artists can output elaborate prose.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by farleykr »

ffsm8 wrote: post #144
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

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What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

Trust as no bearing on what they said. Reading was a form of connecting with someone. Their opinions are bound to be flawed, everyone's are - but they're still the thoughts and words of a person. This is no longer the case. Thus, the human factor is gone and this reduces the experience to some of us, me included.

This is exactly what’s at stake. I heard an artist say one time that he’d rather listen to Bob Dylan miss a note than listen to a song that had all the imperfections engineered out of it.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by DiscourseFan »

threeseed wrote: post #105
DiscourseFan wrote: post #89

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>Nothing that is moving society forward. OpenAI "moves society forward," Microsoft "moves society forward." I'm sincerely uninterested in progress, it always seems like progress just so happens to be very enriching for those who claim it. >There are plenty of models out there without guard rails. Not being used at a mass scale. >Society is already plenty de-sensitised to violence, sex and whatever other horrors anyon…

I am not arguing about the merits of LLMs. Just that we had unleashed models for a while now and the only popular use case for them has been deep fakes. Otherwise it's just boring, generic content that is no different to what you find on X or 4chan. It's 2024 not 1924 - the world has already seen every horror imaginable many times over. And not sure why you think if they were mass scale it would change anything. Most…

>Most of the world prefers moderated products and services.

Yes, the very same "moderated" products and services that have risen sea surface temperatures so high that at least 3 category 4+ hurricanes, 5 major wildfires, and at least one potential or actual pandemic spreads unabated every year. Oh, but don't worry, they won't let everyone die: then there would be no one to buy their "products and services."

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by nottorp »

threeseed wrote: post #76
DiscourseFan wrote: post #46

The underlying technology is good. But what the fuck. LLMs, these weird, surrealistic art-generating programs like DALL-E, they're remarkable. Don't tell me they're not, we created machines that are able to tap directly into the collective unconscious. That is a serious advance in our productive capabilities. Or at least, it could be. It could be if it was unleashed , if these crummy corporations didn't force it to b…

a) There are plenty of models out there without guard rails. b) Society is already plenty de-sensitised to violence, sex and whatever other horrors anyone has conceived of in the last century of content production. There is nothing an LLM can come up with that has or is going to shock anyone. c) The most popular use cases for these unleashed models seems to be as expected deepfakes of high school girls by their peers…

> c) The most popular use cases for these unleashed models seems to be as expected deepfakes of high school girls by their peers. Nothing that is moving society forward.

Is there proof that the self censoring only affects whatever the censors intend to censor? These are neural networks, not something explainable and predictable.

That in addition to the obvious problem of who decides what to censor.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Jevon23 »

BikeShuester wrote: post #121
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

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You know that ChatGPT writing is still obvious even when you ask it to change its style, right?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mindcandy »

threeseed wrote: post #76
DiscourseFan wrote: post #46

The underlying technology is good. But what the fuck. LLMs, these weird, surrealistic art-generating programs like DALL-E, they're remarkable. Don't tell me they're not, we created machines that are able to tap directly into the collective unconscious. That is a serious advance in our productive capabilities. Or at least, it could be. It could be if it was unleashed , if these crummy corporations didn't force it to b…

a) There are plenty of models out there without guard rails. b) Society is already plenty de-sensitised to violence, sex and whatever other horrors anyone has conceived of in the last century of content production. There is nothing an LLM can come up with that has or is going to shock anyone. c) The most popular use cases for these unleashed models seems to be as expected deepfakes of high school girls by their peers…

Tens of millions of people are having fun making art in new ways with AI.

Hundreds of thousands of people are making AI porn in their basements and deleting 99.99% of it when they are… finished.

Hundreds of people are making deep fakes of people they know in some public forums.

And, how does the public interpret all of this?

“The most popular use case is deepfake porn.”

Sigh…

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by sandworm101 »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>> cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die.

You never should have. Large amounts of work, even stuff by major authors, is ghostwritten. I was talking to someone about Taylor Swift recently. They thought that she wrote all her songs. I commented that one cannot really know that, that the entertainment industry is very going at generating seemingly "authentic" product at a rapid pace. My colleague looked at me like I had just killed a small animal. The idea that TS was "genuine" was a cornerstone of their fandom, and my suggestion had attacked that love. If you love music or film, don't dig too deep. It is all a factory. That AI is now part of that factory doesn't change much for me.

Maybe my opinion would change if I saw something AI-generated with even a hint of artistic relevance. I've seen cool pictures and passable prose, but nothing so far with actual meaning, nothing worthy of my time.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by dannersy »

diggan wrote: post #188
dannersy wrote: post #177

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The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. I've been alarmed by many sentiments that seemed popular on HN in the past, but seeing more and more people welcome a race to the bottom such as this is sad. When I read this, I cannot tell if it's performance art or not, that's how bad this genuinely is.

> The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. Judging a large group of people based on what a few write seems very un-scientific at best. Especially when it comes to things that have been rehashed since I've joined HN (and probably earlier to). Feels like there will always be someone lamenting how HN isn't how it used to be, or…

A bunch of profanity laced name calling, derision, and even some blame directly at the user base. It feels like a Reddit shitpost. Your claim is as generalized and un-scientific as mine, but if it makes you feel better, I'll say it _feels_ like this wouldn't fly even a couple years ago.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by dannersy »

primitivesuave wrote: post #199
dannersy wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. I've been alarmed by many sentiments that seemed popular on HN in the past, but seeing more and more people welcome a race to the bottom such as this is sad. When I read this, I cannot tell if it's performance art or not, that's how bad this genuinely is.

The alarming trend should be how even a slightly contrarian point of view is downvoted to oblivion, and that newer members of the community expect it to work that way.

I don't think it's the contrarian part that I have a problem with.
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