Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I Am Tired of AI

ontestautomation.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 1001 posts

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#151

Post by jay_kyburz »

Gigachad wrote: post #100
walthamstow wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've even grown to enjoy spelling and grammar mistakes - at least I know a human wrote it.

There was a meme along the lines of people will start including slurs in their messages to prove it wasn’t AI generated.

A few months ago, I tried to get Gemini to help me write some criticism of something. I can't even remember what it was, but I wanted to clearly say something was wrong and bad.

Gemini just could not do it. It kept trying to avoid being explicitly negative. It wanted me to instead focus on the positive. I think it evidently just told me no, and that it would not do it.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#152

Post by bryanrasmussen »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition. You're out. And the growing consensus is "why shouldn't you?", there is no escape from that.

Are you sure you don't mean if you write regularly in one particular subclass of writing - like technical writing, documentation etc.? Do you think novel writing, poetry, film reviews etc. cannot keep up in the same way?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#153

Post by erwald »

Gigachad wrote: post #109
gizmo wrote: post #33

AI writing is pretty bad, AI code is pretty bad, AI art is pretty bad. We all know this. But it's easy to forget how many new opportunities open up when something becomes 100x or 10000x cheaper. Things that are 10x worse but 100x cheaper are still extremely valuable. It's the relentless drive to making things cheaper, even at the expense of quality, that has made our high quality of life possible. You can make houses…

Why do we need art to be 10000x cheaper? There was already more than enough art being produced. Now we just have infinite waves of slop drowning out everything that’s actually good.

For the same reason we don't want art to be 10,000x times more expensive? Cf. status quo bias etc.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#154

Post by dangitman »

baq wrote: post #58
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

scale makes all the difference. society without trust falls apart. it's good if some people doubt some things, but if everyone necessarily must doubt everything, it's anarchy.

[dead]

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#155

Post by IanCal »

criddell wrote: post #124
a5c11 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is piracy legal then? It's just a copy of someone else's copy.

The person who insists copying isn’t theft would probably point out that piracy is something done on the high seas. From the context of the comment it was pretty clear that they were using theft as shorthand for taking without permission .

The usual argument is less about piracy as a term and more the use of the word theft, and your use of the word "taking". When we talk about physical things theft and taking mean depriving the owner of that thing.

If I have something, and you copy it, then I still have that thing.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#156

Post by rcxdude »

Lichtso wrote: post #106
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #4

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

Lawsuits based on what? Copyright? People crying for copyright in the context of AI training don't understand what copyright is, how it works and when it applies. What they think how copyright works: When you take someones work as inspiration then everything you produce form that counts as derivative work. How copyright actually works: The input is irrelevant, only the output matters. Thus derivative work is what exp…

Also, the desired interpretation of copyright will not stop the multi-billion-dollar AI companies, who have the resources to buy the rights to content at a scale no-one else does. In fact it will give them a gigantic moat, allowing them to extract even more value out of the rest of the economy, to the detriment of basically everyone else.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#157

Post by Gigachad »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #151
Gigachad wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a meme along the lines of people will start including slurs in their messages to prove it wasn’t AI generated.

A few months ago, I tried to get Gemini to help me write some criticism of something. I can't even remember what it was, but I wanted to clearly say something was wrong and bad. Gemini just could not do it. It kept trying to avoid being explicitly negative. It wanted me to instead focus on the positive. I think it evidently just told me no, and that it would not do it.

Yeah all the current tools have this particular brand of corporate speech that’s pretty easy to pick up on. Overly verbose, overly polite, very vague, non assertive, and non opinionated.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#158

Post by Applejinx »

ipaio wrote: post #104
walthamstow wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've even grown to enjoy spelling and grammar mistakes - at least I know a human wrote it.

You can prompt/train the AI to add a couple of random minor errors. They're trained from human text after all, they can pretend to be as human as you like.

Barring simple typos, human mistakes are erroneous intention from a single source. You can't simply write human vagaries off as 'error' because they're glimpses into a picture of intention that is perhaps misguided.

I'm listening to a slightly wonky early James Brown instrumental right now, and there's certainly a lot more error than you'd get in sequenced computer music (or indeed generated music) but the force with which humans wrest the wonkiness toward an idea of groove is palpable. Same with Zeppelin's 'Communication Breakdown' (I'm doing a groove analysis project, ok?).

I can't program the AI to have intention, nor can you. If you do, hello Skynet, and it's time you started thinking about how to be nice to it, or else :)

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#159

Post by bko »

williamcotton wrote: post #108
Kiro wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never have imagined hackers becoming copyright zealots advocating for lawsuits. I must be getting old but I still remember the Pirate Bay trial as if it was yesterday.

It’s because it now affects hackers and before it only affected musicians.

It affects hackers how? By giving them cool technology at below cost? Or is it further democratizing knowledge? Or maybe it's the inflated software eng salaries due to AI hype?

Help me understand the negative effect of AI and LLMs on hackers.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#160

Post by tuyguntn »

elnasca2 wrote: post #51
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

> For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so.

I also did, but LLM increased the volume of content, which forces my brain first try to identify if content is generated by LLMs, which is consuming a lot of energy and makes brain even less focused, because now it's primary goal is skimming quickly to identify, instead of absorbing first and then analyzing info

Post reply on HN