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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by mellavora »

primer42 wrote: post #33

I love imagining how the fish are almost an extension of the way the octopuses think. Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Now they're wrangling independent fish brains instead of octopus arm brains. Incredible

>Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain.

Yes, that's inherent in the design. All grey matter (optimized for local intercommunication), no white matter (optimized for sending signals between regions).

Each arm has its own ganglion ("CPU") and the central unit struggles to keep up with these and keep them coordinated.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by charlieo88 »

ActionHank wrote: post #10
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #6

So are Octopuses really intelligent if they are in management?

and is punching an effective management tool?

...and buried in this discussion of octopus management technique, we find the TRUE reason behind the wave of return to office requirements

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by mellavora »

hagbard_c wrote: post #69
HelloMcFly wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically octopuses produce offspring only near the end of their life, so eating them at any point is destructive for their reproduction and species health.

Eat them after they reproduced then, they only do that once in their life.

except the mother has to care for her eggs until they hatch. So I guess we'd be fine only eating the males...

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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neerajk wrote: post #22

aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by jjk166 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I used to love eating octopus, but since I've learned so much about their intelligence, I have not been able to bring myself to do so, anymore. I have the luxury of choice. There are many, in this world, that do not.

I doubt there are many people in the world whose diets rely on eating octopuses. You'd need either an environment that had octopuses in abundance despite having little of everything else, or a selective method of fishing that primarily caught octopuses.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by airstrike »

shmeeed wrote: post #75
carlmr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delicatessen itself is a French loanword (délicatesse) in German that's wrongly pluralized, it should be délicatesses not delicatessen. So it's like doubly wrong.

I'm waiting for myself to one day muster the courage to order "dos expressis" at a restaurant in Italy. But I fear the repercussions.

https://imgur.com/8pQYSUd

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by mellavora »

kaxllca wrote: post #16
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I used to love eating octopus, but since I've learned so much about their intelligence, I have not been able to bring myself to do so, anymore. I have the luxury of choice. There are many, in this world, that do not.

A female octopus will try to eat the male octopus, so the intelligence is not at empathy or morality levels.

It is hard to extend morality between species. The idea of parents sacrificing themselves for their children seems to resonate as highly moral, and is also a common pattern in biology.

But how it plays out, from humans where the male can provide more by continuing to live and "hunt/protect/teach"-- but at the risk that the "hunt/protect" might end his life, to spiders where (some species) the male gives his body to provide nutrition for the child,

well, who am I to say which is more moral?

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by johnnyjeans »

gpderetta wrote: post #55
neerajk wrote: post #22

aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

Incidentally, if, as per etymology, we consider the tentacles as feet, then the headline is wrong as the Octopodes are technically kicking the fishes.

Technically speaking, Octopuses don't have tentacles at all. Those are arms. The morphology of "Octopus" is actually a really great example case for demonstrating paraconsistent logic.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by pjmlp »

drcongo wrote: post #80
pjmlp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European countries do have horse meat.

I've had horse in France and Belgium, it's not bad, though not as good as reindeer which I had in Finland (of course).

Reindeer is also available in other places, a bit further south :)

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by colechristensen »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #90
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I used to love eating octopus, but since I've learned so much about their intelligence, I have not been able to bring myself to do so, anymore. I have the luxury of choice. There are many, in this world, that do not.

just because something is intelligent is no reason not to eat it imho

This is an honest question, I'm not making a joke.

Why shouldn't we eat _you_ then?

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