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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Will anyone be working for anyone if we had AGI?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Whoa! This definitely looks much more troubling for the company now. Can't decide it is because AGI is coming very soon OR AGI is very far away

Why would they leave if AGI was near?

To build their bunkers

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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$10M is never work again money literally anywhere in the world. Don't kid yourself. Buy a $3.5M house outright and then collect $250k per year risk free after taxes. You're doing whatever you want and still saving money.

With 3.5M house just taxes, utilities and maintenance cost will ruin your remaining 7.5.

NYC and SF both appear to have ~1% property tax rates

Utilities are an order of magnitude less than being taxed ~$35k/yr and hardly worth worrying about while discussing eight figures

Maintenance can vary, but all 3 costs you mentioned combined would be 2 orders of magnitude lower annually than that net worth, which seems easily sustainable?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#544
AI safety people claiming that working on AI start-ups is a good way to prevent harmful AI is laughable.

The second you hit some kind of breakthrough, capital finds a way to remove any and all guardrails that might impede future profits.

It happened at DeepMind, Google, Microsoft and OpenAI. Why won't this happen the next time?

And ironically, many in this community say that corporations are AI.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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How exactly does a blog post from OpenAI about a preview release address my comment or make fancy autocomplete comparisons untenable?

It shows that the LLM is capable of reasoning.

Dude, it's not the LLM that does the reasoning. Rather it's the layers and layers of scaffolding around LLM that simulate reasoning.

The moment 'tooling' became a thing for LLM, it reminded me 'rules' for expert system which caused one of the AI winter. The number of 'tools' you need to solve real use cases will be untenable soon enough.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Whoa! This definitely looks much more troubling for the company now. Can't decide it is because AGI is coming very soon OR AGI is very far away

If they had any equity they might've vested and decided there is more to life than working there. It's hard to be very motivated to work at high pace when you can retire any moment without losing your lifestyle.

I'm guessing that most key players (Mira, Greg, Ilya, etc) negotiated deals last winter (if not before) that would ensure they kept their equity even if leaving, in return for letting Sam back in.

Probably with some form of NDA attached.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#548

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Could be that the road to AGI that OpenAI is taking is basically massive scaling on what they already have, perhaps researchers want to take a different road to AGI.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I continue to be surprised by the talk of general artifical intelligence when it comes to LLMs. At their core, they are text predictors, and they're often pretty good at that. But anything beyond that, they are decidely unimpressive. I use Copilot on a daily basis, which uses GPT 4 in the backend. It's wrong so often that I only really use it for boilerplate autocomplete, which I still have to review. I've had collea…

Look at the sample chain-of-thought for o1-preview under this blog post, for decoding "oyekaijzdf aaptcg suaokybhai ouow aqht mynznvaatzacdfoulxxz". At this point, I think the "fancy autocomplete" comparisons are getting a little untenable. https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/

Fun little counterpoint: How can you _prove_ that this exact question was not in the training set?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It shows that the LLM is capable of reasoning.

Dude, it's not the LLM that does the reasoning. Rather it's the layers and layers of scaffolding around LLM that simulate reasoning. The moment 'tooling' became a thing for LLM, it reminded me 'rules' for expert system which caused one of the AI winter. The number of 'tools' you need to solve real use cases will be untenable soon enough.

Well, I agree that the part that does the reasoning isn't an LLM in the naive form.

But that "scaffolding" seems to be an integral part of the neural net that has been built. It's not some Python for-loop that has been built on top of the neural network to brute force the search pattern.

If that part isn't part of the LLM, then o1 isn't really an LLM anymore, but a new kind of model. One that can do reasoning.

And if we chose to call it an LLM, well then now LLM's can also do reasoning intrinsically.

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