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91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by jmyeet »

Here's the lesson I hope people learn from this: your employer is not your friend.

Why are they doing this now? Because they can. 2-3 years ago when it was a tight job market, Amazon (and every other tech company) was all about remote work. This started out of necessity (ie the pandemic) but it became a way to lure employees who had moved during the pandemic.

I think a lot of us deluded ourselves into thinking tech companies were different to any other employer. They are not. You are a cost they want to reduce. RTO will cause a few to quit and the rest to be more compliant. Those who quit are cheaper than a layoff.

When there's a layoff (or people quit), they aren't replaced. Why? Their work is redistributed to those who remain. It's more work done at no extra cost. At some point there is more hiring but that's part of the "natural" 5% layoff rate that is now a permanent feature of your employment.

It is all about suppressing wages and getting you to do more for the same or less money.

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by Rinzler89 »

api wrote: post #29
Rinzler89 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The land owning gentry ofc. People still mistakenly romanticize the French revolution being about the poor killing the rich by guillotine, when it was actually the rich nobility (land owning gentry) getting the royalty beheaded via the publics' uprising. Same with the Russian revolution that got the Romanovs killed and replaced by the Soviets.

Most such conflicts are not the haves vs the have-nots but the just-gots vs the already-hads -- new money vs. old money. Most of the enlightenment-era revolutions in Europe were the newly minted mercantile rich overthrowing the old medieval rich and the Church of Rome. The US revolution was the colonial rich throwing off the yoke of the British crown and its taxes.

Pretty much. It's just the poor getting new management.

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by brookst »

mozman wrote: post #12
malfist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always had those elements, but over the last year or two it seems that's all they promote to their front page anymore. Can't even log in anymore without the first page load being full of far right screeds.

Is it really all that or you just disagree? Have to be kind and respectful of others - especially when they are not to you. I think a lot of people are afraid to tell the truth. After years of pretending and keeping it bottled up inside there will be some unhealthy elements.

You can’t really be saying the bigoted, racist, sexist screeds that dominate Blind are “the truth”… what did I misunderstand in your post?

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

#34

Post by j-bos »

threetonesun wrote: post #20

Not Amazon: back in 2021 we were still completely remote, but for new candidates they insisted they be near an office location. A coworker complained that we were missing out on good candidates when our team was already remote, but I told him what was up - over time you get more people who are ok with the idea of being in an office, and then once you hit some critical mass, you just flip the switch and say "everyone…

>IMO truly remote companies are not just a physical difference from in-office companies, there's a whole way of doing business shift as well.

Physical companies have office shaped brains and poor async communication skills.

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by delfinom »

mozman wrote: post #12
malfist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always had those elements, but over the last year or two it seems that's all they promote to their front page anymore. Can't even log in anymore without the first page load being full of far right screeds.

Is it really all that or you just disagree? Have to be kind and respectful of others - especially when they are not to you. I think a lot of people are afraid to tell the truth. After years of pretending and keeping it bottled up inside there will be some unhealthy elements.

Keeping politics out of the workplace was been decorum for decades upon decades. It's only your modern braindead right wingers that can't stfu as their brain is ruined by doomscrolling.

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by api »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most such conflicts are not the haves vs the have-nots but the just-gots vs the already-hads -- new money vs. old money. Most of the enlightenment-era revolutions in Europe were the newly minted mercantile rich overthrowing the old medieval rich and the Church of Rome. The US revolution was the colonial rich throwing off the yoke of the British crown and its taxes.

Pretty much. It's just the poor getting new management.

Sometimes there are improvements for the poor though. My speculation there would be that the just-gots include some people who were poor recent enough that they or their immediate ancestors remember it.

Class turnover is often a good thing.

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by malfist »

mozman wrote: post #12
malfist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always had those elements, but over the last year or two it seems that's all they promote to their front page anymore. Can't even log in anymore without the first page load being full of far right screeds.

Is it really all that or you just disagree? Have to be kind and respectful of others - especially when they are not to you. I think a lot of people are afraid to tell the truth. After years of pretending and keeping it bottled up inside there will be some unhealthy elements.

I just logged in to see what showed up first

First post shown to me is: Amazon culture is bad because of Indian work culture.

Second is: Should Hindi be made the national language?

Next is one complaining about dei getting women into high paying tech jobs instead of plumbing.

The fourth is the first one that's not racist or sexist and is about openai.

So yes, I think it is really "all that"

Re: 91% of polled Amazon staff unhappy with RTO, 3-in-4 want to jump ship

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Post by progre »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #17
paulryanrogers wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they peasants or land owning gentry?

The land owning gentry ofc. People still mistakenly romanticize the French revolution being about the poor killing the rich by guillotine, when it was actually the rich nobility (land owning gentry) getting the royalty beheaded via the publics' uprising. Same with the Russian revolution that got the Romanovs killed and replaced by the Soviets.

The french gentry very deliberately wanted a American style liberal revolution. But by the time the guillotine was rolled out, the revolution had turned into something they had 0 control over. Not to say it was in the hands of the peasants either of course.
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