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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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To me, this looks like something chatgpt would write.

As an albanian, I can confirm she wrote it herself (obviously with the help of ChatGPT) -- no finesse and other writing elements.

It was not written by her, it was written by the other sides lawyers.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Similar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end). Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years. The writing is on the wall for OpenA…

I follow the latest updates to FSD and it's clear to me that they are getting closer to robotaxis really fast.

I hear they will have FSD by the end of the year.

which year exactly is TBA

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Update: Looks like Barret Zoph, GPT-4's post training (co-)lead is also leaving: https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452

Whoa! This definitely looks much more troubling for the company now. Can't decide it is because AGI is coming very soon OR AGI is very far away

It's probably neither of those things. People can only be pissed off + burnt out for so long before they throw up their hands and walk out. Even if AGI is a random number of months away... or isn't.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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$10M is never work again money literally anywhere in the world. Don't kid yourself. Buy a $3.5M house outright and then collect $250k per year risk free after taxes. You're doing whatever you want and still saving money.

With 3.5M house just taxes, utilities and maintenance cost will ruin your remaining 7.5.

Buy a house on a private beach in Florida and rent it out for $25k a week during the hottest months.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.

> Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives

You are asking the question, why are politicians not honest?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Thats what is needed to get a job as a product manager these days?

Well that and years of experience leading projects. Wasn't she head of the Model X program at Tesla? But my point is that she does have a technical background.

> Well that and years of experience leading projects. Wasn't she head of the Model X program at Tesla?

No idea because she scrubbed her linkedin profile. But afaik she didn't have "years of experience leading projects" to get a job as leadpm at tesla. That was her first job as PM.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Regardless of where AI currently is and where it is going, you don't simply quit as CTO of the company that is leading the space by far in terms of technology, products, funding, revenue, popularity, adoption and just about everything else. She was fired, plain and simple.

> leading the space by far in terms of technology, products, funding, revenue, popularity, adoption and just about everything else

I am not 100% sure that they are still clearly leading the technology part, but agree in all other accounts.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Maybe its marketing and LLMs are the peak of what they are capable of.

Kind of. My money is on we have reached the point of diminishing returns. A bit like Machine Learning. Now it's all about exploiting business cases for LLMs. That's the only reason I can think as to why gpt5 won't be coming anytime soon and when it does it will be very underwhelming and will be the first public signal that we are past LLM peak and perhaps people will stop finally assuming that LLMs will reach AGI within their lifetimes

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

But it makes perfect sense to drop out and enjoy last couple years of pre-AGI bliss. Advances in AI even without AGI will lead to unemployment, recession, collapse of our economic structure, and then our social structure. Whatever is on the other side is not pretty. If you are on the forefront, know it’s coming imminently, and made your money, it makes perfect sense to leave and enjoy money and leisures money allows…

I highly doubt that's the case. The US government will undoubtly seize OpenAI, the assets and employees way before it happens in the name of national security. I am pretty sure that they got a special team keeping an eye on the internal comms at openai to make sure they are on top of their internal affairs.
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