Should be Titled: "Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase MY Happiness". For me it does but I practice a very different and rare form of meditation. I can only call it "Sleeping Awake". Which took a while to achieve. Basically, when you go to sleep at night your body slows its breathing & heart rate and you loose feeling of your limbs, while your mind looses consciousness and you black out. Your body and mind shut…
Can you recommend any tutorials or books about this type of meditation? I'm curious.
Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness
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There are huge numbers of claims, but who among the multitudes has the evidence? If any Buddhist monks or temple has Buddha's teachings, they should also have the ways of life from the problems to the resolutions. But they don't have them, and instead they use meditation to trick people into giving up the real answers. It's the same thing as giving themselves up. This is an important point and the root cause of this…
> There are huge numbers of claims, but who among the multitudes has the evidence? And here you are making all kinds of claims, without presenting a shred of evidence. Ponder on that.
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> There are huge numbers of claims, but who among the multitudes has the evidence? And here you are making all kinds of claims, without presenting a shred of evidence. Ponder on that.
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Don't throw your lot in with anyone making claims they can't back up; but make sure your paying attentions to who's making the claims and whether they're proper non negative claims.
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There are huge numbers of claims, but who among the multitudes has the evidence? If any Buddhist monks or temple has Buddha's teachings, they should also have the ways of life from the problems to the resolutions. But they don't have them, and instead they use meditation to trick people into giving up the real answers. It's the same thing as giving themselves up. This is an important point and the root cause of this…
Since when was enlightenment equal to having perfect phenomenal knowledge? You seem to be equating enlightenment with omniscience. Are you not? Please tell us what questions you are asking as a qualifier on whether or not someone is enlightened.
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Can you recommend any tutorials or books about this type of meditation? I'm curious.
Kind of sounds a bit like lucid dreaming, or astral projection.
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If he can't prove it (since you can't prove a negative) he shouldn't be claiming that he knows that it hasn't happened and everyone is faking it; worse, he claims to know it happened only twice in history; and worse that his master was the second one other than Buddha himself. He's the one making wild positive claims here, the burden of proof is upon him to support them with evidence. That's why I don't have to prove…
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But buddhists generally aren't vague, they are extremely expressive about what they are talking about. Are you refering to something specific?
I've heard a lot of Buddhists talk about mind being separate from body. If you push them on it they get very vague very quickly.
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#79Should be Titled: "Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase MY Happiness". For me it does but I practice a very different and rare form of meditation. I can only call it "Sleeping Awake". Which took a while to achieve. Basically, when you go to sleep at night your body slows its breathing & heart rate and you loose feeling of your limbs, while your mind looses consciousness and you black out. Your body and mind shut…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_tank
Amazing experience. Similar to how OP describes.
Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness
#80Should be Titled: "Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase MY Happiness". For me it does but I practice a very different and rare form of meditation. I can only call it "Sleeping Awake". Which took a while to achieve. Basically, when you go to sleep at night your body slows its breathing & heart rate and you loose feeling of your limbs, while your mind looses consciousness and you black out. Your body and mind shut…
I too am a novice in pursuit of happiness, with just some basic lessons taken from teachers plus some self learning. However, like you my experience has been much more positive.
My take is similar to what others have mentioned in their comments: meditation is but one of a number of legs on which true happiness stands. It is through meditation that one gets glimpses of what Buddhists call the "nature of mind". These only remain glimpses until you build the other legs: boddhicitta (poorly translated into English as compassion) and a deep-seated realization that all things are impermanent. The practice of boddhicitta and the understanding of impermanence, among others, are the antidote to ego or the concept of the self, the prime cause of all suffering which arises from the desire and craving that comes part and parcel with ego. Boddhicitta requires the building of a thought process of thinking more of others, and gradual surrender of the desires for oneself (less of I, me, mine, etc). Practice all these elements together with meditation and I'm pretty certain one can only be the better for it. In my opinion Kenji is lacking the other aspects without which meditation can't provide happiness.
It's worth noting that "happiness" is a loaded term, quite different for different people. I'm taking a good guess that in it's ultimate form, Buddhist masters would equate happiness with enlightenment with nature of mind, which is what one sees glimpses of while meditating. IMHO, that itself is something to chew upon.