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Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Crazy Matt woke up one day at 40 years old and just decided to ruin his entire reputation and company that he spent over a decade building up.

His reputation wasn't exactly sterling before: https://pearsonified.com/truth-about-thesis-com

Earlier this year, Matt chased a popular Tumblr user he banned under Tumblr's weirdly transphobic TOS to Twitter to harass her publicly. He immediately took a "sabbatical" from Tumblr after this.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/22/tumblr-ceo-publicly-spars-...

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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While I agree with Matt's thoughts on Wordpress I don't like this sort of public shaming. If you post this kind of thing, it burns bridges that you can't mend later. How can the two organizations reconciliate after this?

Wordpress wants WP Engine to contribute to the source code because it makes money off Wordpress and uses its servers. I think this is very reasonable.

I'm pretty sure WP Engine could patch Wordpress to use its own infrastructure, so this isn't a really as much of a security risk as people claim. Distros have been doing this since forever. This isn't much different from a Youtuber getting banned from Youtube. If you build your entire business upon a single point of failure, this kind of thing can happen.

But I'd rather there was a path forward for them. Right now it's either 1) Matt gets fired as CEO so WP Engine can continue leeching off Wordpress, or 2) WP Engine has to support its own weight fragmenting the Wordpress ecosystem.

Although I use Wordpress I have no idea what people think Wordpress is supposed to be. I love Gutenberg, but everyone hates it, and some hate it because they compare it to site builders instead of WYSIWYG HTML editors. The point is that Wordpress is used by so many websites, both big and small, as a site builder, blogging platform, news platform, and even as a database and shopping platform sometimes, that it's impossible to say how it's supposed to be used.

I think if Wordpress.org makes it clear what are the costs of WP Engine to the project compared to their contributions, it will be easier for people who use Wordpress to understand their side because numbers are neutral.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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I have no horse in this race, but this blog post seems like the hot-blooded vitriolic ramblings of a crazy person that can’t mentally separate their commercial and open-source endeavours. The outrage definitely feels at least somewhat ‘put on’ for the sake of publicity. Who cares!?

Yeah - even without much context this blog post reads like an embarrassing mess. I hope the author thinks it was worth tarnishing the Wordpress brand so they could enjoy their king-for-a-day meltdown.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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I have no horse in this race, but this blog post seems like the hot-blooded vitriolic ramblings of a crazy person that can’t mentally separate their commercial and open-source endeavours. The outrage definitely feels at least somewhat ‘put on’ for the sake of publicity. Who cares!?

Yeah - even without much context this blog post reads like an embarrassing mess. I hope the author thinks it was worth tarnishing the Wordpress brand so they could enjoy their king-for-a-day meltdown.

The author is Matt Mullenweg, co-founder of WordPress!

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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While I agree with Matt's thoughts on Wordpress I don't like this sort of public shaming. If you post this kind of thing, it burns bridges that you can't mend later. How can the two organizations reconciliate after this? Wordpress wants WP Engine to contribute to the source code because it makes money off Wordpress and uses its servers. I think this is very reasonable. I'm pretty sure WP Engine could patch Wordpress…

> I'm pretty sure WP Engine could patch Wordpress to use its own infrastructure, so this isn't a really as much of a security risk as people claim.

Patching core WordPress is straightforward, but there's also tens of the thousands of plugins and themes on WordPress.org. Until WP Engine can create a mirror of the plugin and theme repos, there will be security risks.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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WordPress supports ActivityPub now, so this is also a spat between two massive AP platforms with apocalyptic potential. Someone needs to get follower migration from WordPress to anything else on the AP fediverse done quick.

It's inter-instance conflict at incredible scale.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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> What I will tell you is that, pending their legal claims and litigation against WordPress.org, WP Engine no longer has free access to WordPress.org’s resources.

Since when has WP Engine been threatening litigation against WordPress.org or the WordPress Foundation? Their C&D letter [0] was only addressed to Automattic Inc.

Perhaps it has to do with the claims of trademark infringement in the counter-C&D letter [1]? But that letter was sent only in the name of Automattic Inc. and WooCommerce, Inc., despite the WordPress Foundation being the ultimate owner of the trademark.

[0] https://wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Cease-and-De...

[1] https://automattic.com/2024/wp-engine-cease-and-desist.pdf

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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> What I will tell you is that, pending their legal claims and litigation against WordPress.org, WP Engine no longer has free access to WordPress.org’s resources. Since when has WP Engine been threatening litigation against WordPress.org or the WordPress Foundation? Their C&D letter [0] was only addressed to Automattic Inc. Perhaps it has to do with the claims of trademark infringement in the counter-C&D letter [1]?…

We don't have evidence there is anyone else in the Foundation with any power. WordPress.org is owned personally by Matt.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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> What I will tell you is that, pending their legal claims and litigation against WordPress.org, WP Engine no longer has free access to WordPress.org’s resources. Since when has WP Engine been threatening litigation against WordPress.org or the WordPress Foundation? Their C&D letter [0] was only addressed to Automattic Inc. Perhaps it has to do with the claims of trademark infringement in the counter-C&D letter [1]?…

We don't have evidence there is anyone else in the Foundation with any power. WordPress.org is owned personally by Matt.

Yeah, the practical situation there would seem pretty clear. I'm just wondering what theory Mullenweg is trying to express here in support of this action.
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