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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Then she hasn't ((read or watched) and (found plausible)) any of the speculative fiction about how that's not enough to keep you safe.

No one knows how deep the bunker goes

We can be reasonably confident of which side of the Mohorovičić discontinuity it may be, as existing tools would be necessary to create it in the first place.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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If you care to detail supporting evidence, I'd be keen to see. Please no speculative pieces, rumor nor hearsay.

Well why was sam altman fired. it was never revealed. CEOs get fired all the time and company puts out a statement. I've never seen "we won't tell you why we fired our CEO" anywhere. now he is back making totally ridiculous statments like 'AI is going to solve all of physics' or that 'AI is going to clone my brain by 2027' This is a strange company.

> This is a strange company.

Because the old guard wanted it to remain a cliquey non-profit filled to the brim with EA, AI Alignment, and OpenPhilanthropy types, but the current OpenAI is now an enterprise company.

This is just Sam Altman cleaning house after the attempted corporate coup a year ago.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no e…

> What I can say for certain is no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else.

Do you think that's because executives are so exceedingly ambitious, or because pursuing different passions is for some reason less attractive?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Maybe she thinks the _world_ is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI, not just limited to OpenAI, and she wants to compete and do her own thing (and easily raise $1B like Ilya).

Which is arguably a good thing (having AGI spread amongst multiple entities rather than one leader).

How is that good? An arms race increases the pressure to go fast and disregard alignment safety, non proliferation is essential.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Between 1 and 10 thousands of days, so 3 to 27 years. A range I'd agree with; for me, "pessimism" is the shortest part of that range, but even then you have to be very confident the specific metaphorical horse you're betting on is going to be both victorious in its own right and not, because there's no suitable existing metaphor, secretly an ICBM wearing a patomime costume.

1 you use 1 2 (or even 3) you use "a couple" A few is almost always > 3 and one could argue that upper limit 15 So, 10 years to 50 years

Personally speaking, above 10 thousand I'd switch to saying "a few tens of thousands".

But the mere fact you say 15 is arguable does indeed broaden the range, just as me saying 1 broadens it in the opposite extent.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

This overplayed knee jerk response is so dull.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no e…

> no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else

Especially when they enjoy a position like hers at the most important technology company in a generation.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

> It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" Altmans quote was that "it's possible that we will have superintelligence in a few thousand days", which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. A few thousand days could be interpreted as 10 years or more, and by adding the "possibly" qualifier he didn't even really commit to that predicti…

> it's possible that we will have superintelligence in a few thousand days

Sure, a few thousand days and a few trillion $ away. We'll also have full self driving next month. This is just like the fusion is the energy of the future joke: it's 30 years away and it will always be.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

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