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Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by ch_sm » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:53 AM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #5

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> What about acknowledging the effects of improper land management (forestry, rivers, etc)?

Those are indeed a factor, and European nations as well as the EU have started programs to counter those 20th century artefacts (see "Renaturation"). But the amount of rainfall itself (measured) was extremely high, by any standard. The mediterranean sea was between 2 and 4 deg C warmer than usual, causing increased evaporation and in turn increased precipitation across Europe. (This has been widely reported)

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by xandrius » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #5

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Totally agree, climate change is highlighting the places we messed up but had enough stable weather patterns to hide it.

Lots of areas are getting absolutely flooded around Europe and it's basically because they drainer or changed the water courses, as well as making everything flat and smooth for (over)farming.

And then you get a week of rains and everything goes tits up.

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by hermannj314 » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #5

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"X% of the variability in flooding explained by climate change, regressions show" probably failed the A/B testing for engagement.

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by wiz21c » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

hfalka wrote: post #9

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FTA: "Central Europe's devastating floods were made much worse by climate change"

There are always been floods. But now they get worse. How much worse ? I don't know.

And as another HNer said, land management has its part in this too...

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by timeon » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #5

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If you are not the lazy one - what are those proper land managements? There were trees falling (not just in the cities) in Slovakia because it rained in one day like in a whole year.

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by llamaimperative » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:55 AM UTC

hfalka wrote: post #9

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> The World Weather Attribution (WWA) group said one recent four-day period was the rainiest ever recorded in central Europe

Surely you have data ready for peer review that contradicts this group of scientists?

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by blueflow » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:56 AM UTC

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Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by gspr » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:56 AM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #5

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> Do we just blame every "natural" disaster on climate now?

No.

> What about acknowledging the effects of improper land management (forestry, rivers, etc)?

Those are acknowledged, and there needs to be more focus on it.

Was there anything else, or is this just a blatant attempt at spreading doubt about climate change?

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by llamaimperative » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:56 AM UTC

DataDive wrote: post #10

cpursley wrote: post #5

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> The World Weather Attribution (WWA) group said one recent four-day period was the rainiest ever recorded in central Europe

Re: Europe's deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

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Post by bryancoxwell » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 11:57 AM UTC

hfalka wrote: post #9

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Nobody whose home has been flooded is currently “glad that we have rain again”.