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Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Do you use the external program to emulate Cmd-T? I don't like that solution :) and it doesn't work in Windows IIRC...

Command-T vim plugin works on windows too. Yes its a little harder to compile on windows but doable.

CtrlP[0] is pure Vimscript, much easier going on Windows

[0] https://github.com/kien/ctrlp.vim

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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There's definitely an age-gap here. People who grew up coding C had to learn to use ctags, whereas, people who start out in interpreted languages are much less likely to encounter such. >involves the extra overhead of learning things like tags or rope even. Rope has no learning overhead. It works the same as any IDE. You use the functionality it provides like "go-to definition" or refactoring. Tags are just a file yo…

It's funny, I grew up writing C++, but in an IDE. You're probably right that older people may have started programming before IDEs were commonplace (?). I've actually never liked using IDEs for interpreted languages, but have always used them for compiled languages. I'm talking specifically about tags, because it's the tool I'd need to use to get goto-anything functionality in vim using command-t or ctrlp. Whenever t…

>Whenever there's a debate about something like ST2 or an IDE vs vim/emacs, the argument is always “well you can do all that stuff with vim, just install x, y and z plugins",

That might be true for vim, but it isn't for Emacs. Most of what you need is built-in, with the occasional plugin only coming in when you want hardcore IDE functionality or something uber language specific. It supports virtually every language, VCS, use-case, etc. out of the box though.

Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim?

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Can I just say I love the pricing model. It's paid software, with an unenforced 'trial period'. Relying on coders who use a text editor all day and appreciate good software and want to compensate someone for their good software. +1 humans.

I really appreciate being able to just use it on whatever machine I am at. I did bought it initially just to support the developer, but since I use both Linux, OSX and Win, it helps great deal to have two good editors, vim and Sublime Text ;)

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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An absolutely joyful piece of software. I love it so much, I bought it right away. Plus, where else can you experience such a pleasant multiplatform situation? Great Job!

I like it too. The main problem I have with it—and Textmate—is the lack of an emacs-like Follow-mode: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Fol... . It's 2012, I'm using a 27" monitor, and yet I can't find this feature, or one like it, in anything other than emacs, which has a learning curve far too steep for my pretty simple needs. At one point, the Textmate website mentioned that a follow-mode-li…

The plugin BufferScroll allows to active follow-mode. https://github.com/SublimeText/BufferScroll

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Same here. Editors are vastly more complex than necessary. I want an editor like google.com. It's simple "sentence" model totally wins. Of course, creation instead of consumption requires additional abstractions. Three dimensions build an entire universe. An editor built with three choice abstractions could outstrip every other editor conceived. Ever. Somebody do it.

Acme is close: 1. all text is "alive" for the purposes of executing/finding 2. select/execute/find for left/middle/right mouse clicks 3. ed-like command language (sam) plus structural regexes with conditions and loops The lack of syntax highlighting is a usability problem, but also the fact that there's no good way to integrate it into something like acme is evidence that we're still missing one of these dimensions.…

When I read the grand parent post, I immediately thought of acme.

And of sam and how some of the best programmers I know use sam[1] a language that provides even less configurability than acme.

[1]: http://sam.cat-v.org

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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It's funny, I grew up writing C++, but in an IDE. You're probably right that older people may have started programming before IDEs were commonplace (?). I've actually never liked using IDEs for interpreted languages, but have always used them for compiled languages. I'm talking specifically about tags, because it's the tool I'd need to use to get goto-anything functionality in vim using command-t or ctrlp. Whenever t…

>Whenever there's a debate about something like ST2 or an IDE vs vim/emacs, the argument is always “well you can do all that stuff with vim, just install x, y and z plugins", That might be true for vim, but it isn't for Emacs. Most of what you need is built-in, with the occasional plugin only coming in when you want hardcore IDE functionality or something uber language specific. It supports virtually every language,…

> Has it ever occurred to you that people who've been programming for decades have a reason for putting forth the advantages of editors like Emacs and vim?

Of course--I stated clearly that I'm a vim user and that I love it, and couldn't see myself going back. But I still appreciate the out of the box functionality and ease-of-use of ST2.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Serendipitous, as I'm planning on doing a lightning talk on ST2 tonight. Editors seem to raise a lot of religious issues, and not to totally discount the distinctions that can be made between them, but I think it's more important to know your editor well than to worry about "the best editor." (If such a thing exists.) As Hunt & Thomas say in The Pragmatic Programmer : "use a single editor well."[1] You'll be most pro…

look forward to your talk tonight. I blew half my morning in vim playing with different plugins for a better file search experience, and finally caved and installed ST2.

I'm happy so far, but hope they add multi-window support and terminal integration (unless they already have).

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