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Woah, petroleum companies greenwashing? Who could have expected something like that?
Given my political and environmental leanings I should be picking up a pitchfork now as the article intends, but the entire article is built on lying with statistics. > NW Natural has more retail gas customers than ever. It supplies them little, if any, renewable natural gas. It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before. And it wages steady battles in the courts and in local city halls…
I agree with this, but I don't think you've established that they're lying. In the sentence you quote we don't know whether "It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before" means they sell as much gas in total (your reading) or as much per capita. Given that this sentence was in the introduction of the article, where one lays out one's thesis before presenting evidence, I think you jumped the gun a bit. There are more numbers later in the article.
Humanity is on the brick of the third world war and some still care of green energy?
I’ve come to the conclusion the only way to make progress on carbon is to ban the sale of new devices that use fossil fuel when an alternative technology exists. Either that, or use military force to shut down one refinery a day until there are none left.
Maybe if you're a dictator. In the real world you'll face tons of political opposition
https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/combustion-e...
https://www.politico.eu/article/heat-pumps-exploded-germany-...
I’ve come to the conclusion the only way to make progress on carbon is to ban the sale of new devices that use fossil fuel when an alternative technology exists. Either that, or use military force to shut down one refinery a day until there are none left.
Given my political and environmental leanings I should be picking up a pitchfork now as the article intends, but the entire article is built on lying with statistics. > NW Natural has more retail gas customers than ever. It supplies them little, if any, renewable natural gas. It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before. And it wages steady battles in the courts and in local city halls…
At the very end: > After years of fanfare about renewable natural gas, what’s its share of NW Natural’s gas supply today? > Less than 1%. The article, indeed, cites precious few actual statistics to lie with at all, but this suggests that the phrase "as much" means the same proportion, not the same absolute amount. So in your words, yes, they're selling "more natural gas" from fossil sources.
That said, it really would have been nice if they'd linked directly to the reports and documents they used as sources. They list their sources as: The NW Natural 2023 Annual Renewable Natural Gas Compliance Report, Oregon Senate Bill 98 (2019), and the 2022 NW Natural Integrated Resource Plan.
Given my political and environmental leanings I should be picking up a pitchfork now as the article intends, but the entire article is built on lying with statistics. > NW Natural has more retail gas customers than ever. It supplies them little, if any, renewable natural gas. It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before. And it wages steady battles in the courts and in local city halls…
At the very end: > After years of fanfare about renewable natural gas, what’s its share of NW Natural’s gas supply today? > Less than 1%. The article, indeed, cites precious few actual statistics to lie with at all, but this suggests that the phrase "as much" means the same proportion, not the same absolute amount. So in your words, yes, they're selling "more natural gas" from fossil sources.
It is concerning that NWN hasn’t updated their environmental report since December 2022. But it looks like they’ve focused on carbon intensity in other ways, like finding more efficient producers and reducing venting during maintenance. It’s a start but it does sound a lot like foot dragging.
Given my political and environmental leanings I should be picking up a pitchfork now as the article intends, but the entire article is built on lying with statistics. > NW Natural has more retail gas customers than ever. It supplies them little, if any, renewable natural gas. It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before. And it wages steady battles in the courts and in local city halls…
> If you can’t win without lying then it’s not really winning. I agree with this, but I don't think you've established that they're lying. In the sentence you quote we don't know whether "It sells them as much fossil natural gas in an average year as it did before" means they sell as much gas in total (your reading) or as much per capita. Given that this sentence was in the introduction of the article, where one lays…
If you saw other numbers then by all means.
Humanity is on the brick of the third world war and some still care of green energy?