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They stole my voice with AI

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Post by geerlingguy »

rishikeshs wrote: post #356
geerlingguy wrote: post #330

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Honestly I'm not the heraldry guy or ancestry guy in my family, but I thought it looked cool and helped make an SVG of it for a shirt my uncle made for all the family one year, so I slapped it in the footer of the blog :)

Haha that’s wonderful. I’m fascinated by coat of arms. I’m from Southern India, and We don’t have anything like this except for may be royal families. I’m thinking of making one myself, but not sure how this works and hence I asked! :)

Heh, the Geerling family is far from royal, it's just something a lot of families in Europe seemed to do (heraldry), and the idea is pretty neat—try to add symbols to your family crest that you want your family to try to strive for (like honor, strength, love, peace, etc.).

I think we even did a thing in one of my art classes on heraldry once, and the idea was to try to figure out what symbols you would choose for your own personal crest, based on what kind of things we'd see in historical ones.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by scotty79 »

consteval wrote: post #408
scotty79 wrote: post #363

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> What happens when this "AI" is used to sway an election? It already happened and the world went merrily on its way towards wherever the hell it goes.

This doesn't mean it's good or even fine. The world also had a holocaust, and we moved on. But it would've been preferable to not have a holocaust.

You are right. Even if I think elections don't matter there was one instance where it happened and the outcome actually mattered. The Brexit vote. But even there I don't think it's a huge difference if politicians are lying themselves or they do it with the use of AI. As long as it's an open technology the game is still fair.

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Post by consteval »

scotty79 wrote: post #412
consteval wrote: post #408

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This doesn't mean it's good or even fine. The world also had a holocaust, and we moved on. But it would've been preferable to not have a holocaust.

You are right. Even if I think elections don't matter there was one instance where it happened and the outcome actually mattered. The Brexit vote. But even there I don't think it's a huge difference if politicians are lying themselves or they do it with the use of AI. As long as it's an open technology the game is still fair.

> As long as it's an open technology the game is still fair.

I don't necessarily agree because money has a lot to do with it. In theory, anyone can use AI for evil. In practice, only the richest can inflict damage. It's a matter of scale.

That's why me killing someone is pretty bad, but me building a Nuclear Warhead is much worse. Luckily I don't have the power to build a Nuclear Warhead. Now anybody with enough money has the tech to just make one.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

rustcleaner wrote: post #329
pjc50 wrote: post #193

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The US equivalent is much less labour intensive than a lynch mob: it's mass shooters radicalized by things they've read on the internet. Or https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5114047/springfield-ohi... , where repeating racial libel causes a public safety problem. While this kind of incitement in no way requires AI, it's certainly something that's easier to do when you can fake evidence. See also https://www.bbc.co…

>radicalized by things they've read on the internet That take pretty much throws the shooters' preceding years of anguish under the bus to make a political score. "Ban the wrongspeech!" is a seductively easier proposition than ending youth bullying and ostracism.

Free speech doesn't protect against libel/slander. It also doesn't protect against speech that induces violence or panic (the old "yell fire in a theater") And I argue impersonating celebrity voices to radicalize others falls under the latter.

So yeah, I would call this "wrongspeech" and wrongspeech is already banned.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

datavirtue wrote: post #297
pjc50 wrote: post #193

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The US equivalent is much less labour intensive than a lynch mob: it's mass shooters radicalized by things they've read on the internet. Or https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5114047/springfield-ohi... , where repeating racial libel causes a public safety problem. While this kind of incitement in no way requires AI, it's certainly something that's easier to do when you can fake evidence. See also https://www.bbc.co…

People don't shoot up crowds because of something they read on the internet. They do it because they are done with life. Everything after that is retrospective reasoning.

It's no one factor, and I'm sure internet contributes. Especially if you feel isolated in the physical world.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

godelski wrote: post #352
aktenlage wrote: post #158

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Another solution would be to use an LLM to rephrase your posts, wouldn't it? Not a great outlook though, if everybody does this...

Not really. Though that will average language and poison LLMs. I'm not sure I want either of those to happen. Besides, topics and shared details are also pii. It's more that they aren't useful in that way until you have scale. Plus, on HN you can't edit posts after some time.

>I'm not sure I want either of those to happen.

at this stage and current behavior, I wouldn't mind some poison. That's the only way companies will learn at this point.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

kyboren wrote: post #341
Der_Einzige wrote: post #333

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How would one report this to the EU and force HN to follow the GDPR?

AFAIK Y Combinator does no business in the EU and HN is hosted in a US data center. Under which legal theory does EU law apply here?

No business? It's purely an American company?

I could be hallucinating, but I swore job boards also had peopel hire from the EU.

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Post by throwaway314155 »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #218
donatj wrote: post #19

Maybe I am crazy but I don't really think it sounds that much like him. It's a little similar but different. It's slightly higher pitch, more nasal, and the intonation is a little different.

It's definitely his voice. Either way, why can't they hire a fucking voice actor instead of using this text to speech crap?

Why couldn't the fraudulent scammer be "less fraudulent" by paying a person to rip off his voice instead of having an ML model do it? You realize that makes no sense, right?
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