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The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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Post by Log_out_ »

fire_lake wrote: post #2

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

Sum of all people receiving pensions? aka Boom(AndBust)ers. Welcome to the Gerontonecropolis, where we work hard to be burried in similar luxury .

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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Post by fire_lake »

okamiueru wrote: post #6
fire_lake wrote: post #2

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

I don't think it is far fetched tho. If you have a couple of millions to spare, you can easily set up a little think tank on how to effect certain changes. If you're willing to throw money at something, it requires minimal effort to coordinate. Your question as to who these people are, is still valid. So my objection is only to the extent that it being unknown doesn't mean it isn't likely.

It would be a fantastic piece of investigative journalism if someone could link these stories to real estate investors somehow.

Re: The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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klodolph wrote: post #10

I’ve heard this argument before and I don’t buy it. By that, I mean it may be true (that people want to prop up real estate prices), but I don’t think that this is enough of an explanation. If it were just about real estate, then Amazon would not be calling for 5 days a week return-to-office. I don’t think real estate interests are powerful enough to push Amazon around and I don’t think they’re entrenched enough in A…

Its about socio pathic no life loners with power wanting company,the company be damned.

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Post by winternewt »

dools wrote: post #5
fire_lake wrote: post #2

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

"You don't need formal conspiracies when interest converge" - George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFd4FdbJxs

But also, there's Blackrock and Vanguard

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Post by noobermin »

I understand how one can talk about the "elite" or capitalist class as a single entity, but employers pay corporate leases and landlords are two different entities (although not always, of course), thus the motivation for employers to issue RTO is not as clear. I can imagine other scenarios though (like sunk-cost for the employer in the middle of a lease, or not being able to break a lease without huge expense), but barring that, the "control" explanation makes more sense here for these employers. Sure, city governments and landlords want the employees to return, but occupying corporate offices downtown doesn't make as much sense as a reason for employers beyond them wanting to control their workers more closely.

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Post by senko »

How does leased buildings being empty or full in any way affect the financial burden on the lessees (companies mandating RTO)?

If anything, those companies could sublet and/or negotiate the cost, lowering the downside, instead of doing something they know (according to the article) won't move the needle.

The math doesn't add up.

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Post by coffeefirst »

fire_lake wrote: post #2

Ok, so which “elites” are holding real estate portfolios and creating these stories in the media bashing remote work? Who are they? I don’t think the world is so coordinated. Some people made a bad bet on real estate. Some other people want to write click bait pieces about lazy workers. Some other corporate leaders are scared that employees are goofing off outside the office (because productivity can’t be measured fo…

I would agree, but...

Didn't we just see a giant string of mass layoffs in spite of excellent company performance for no apparent reason besides investors wanted them?

I rarely believe in conspiracies, but mindless group-think is very real.

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Post by hello_computer »

It really isn't that complicated. "Elites" pay their house slaves house slave wages because they want them in the house, not out in the field, shucking and jiving with the field slaves. If the house slaves manage to preserve their incomes under "field" costs of living, it won't be long before they have enough savings to buy their freedom. That simply won't do.

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Post by ronjakoi »

klodolph wrote: post #10

I’ve heard this argument before and I don’t buy it. By that, I mean it may be true (that people want to prop up real estate prices), but I don’t think that this is enough of an explanation. If it were just about real estate, then Amazon would not be calling for 5 days a week return-to-office. I don’t think real estate interests are powerful enough to push Amazon around and I don’t think they’re entrenched enough in A…

Can you please explain what you mean by employee attrition to a non-native English speaker?
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