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Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

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Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#31

w o w what could go wrong

I'm not sure? what is the threat you're concerned about here?

My reading of this is that it's just removed the requirement to use a wired connection to a laptop to restore a phone that is already in DFU/restore mode - I'm not sure what attack/flaw you get from allowing the recovery path over wifi that would not already be an option with the existing wired path?

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#32

Will this not increase the economic value of stealing iPhones? Right now, in India, iPhone sales compete with used iPhones. With an option to unbrick phones, what methods are preventing a new market of “Chor-Bazaar for iPhones” (market for stolen iPhones)?

India have a lot of carriers that don't care about stolen IMEIs?

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#33
post #15

this is the sort of functionality that only appears when the pain in the retail is felt by the corp. though can't say I think it's a good idea though.. feels like a free rein for state level adversaries...

Presumably the signing requirements are the same as the normal USB DFU process?

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#34
post #2

If that can be done "off grid," then I welcome it because it's likely a jailbreak vector

Curious what you want from a jailbreak at this point? It seems all of the old things that were actually helpful have found them into first party software, or at least in the sanctioned third party. (internet tethering, emulators, side loaded apps, etc.)

Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there.

The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#35

This is presumably in preparation for removing USB-C next year?

I think a big part of the reason (maybe the only reason?) they went to USB-C is because they were legally compelled to by European regulations, not sure if they can then about-face on that just by removing the port.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious what you want from a jailbreak at this point? It seems all of the old things that were actually helpful have found them into first party software, or at least in the sanctioned third party. (internet tethering, emulators, side loaded apps, etc.)

Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there. The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

As someone who does a ton of networking/routing at the link layer for a day job, I can definitely see why they’re taking measures to reduce bandwidth hogs - to the extent I might actually prefer to be on a network that has taken measures to reduce hogging vs one that has not.

When it really truly matters, like when I have a business need to download huge items in remote areas, the $10/GB+ justifies itself.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#37
post #2

If that can be done "off grid," then I welcome it because it's likely a jailbreak vector

Curious what you want from a jailbreak at this point? It seems all of the old things that were actually helpful have found them into first party software, or at least in the sanctioned third party. (internet tethering, emulators, side loaded apps, etc.)

I thank goodness I haven't been subjected to (mobile) Apple for many years in order to speak to what they "allow" and don't nowadays, but the short answer is that I want to *fucking own* the hardware I pay fuckloads of money to purchase

Also, while I was typing out the "I want f-droid.org for iOS" I realized there is a pragmatic answer: I want to build and distribute apps without having to pay for the right to do so, not because I am stingy but because paying is gatekeeping. Do you know how much the Joplin devs have to pay Google to put this .apk link here[1]? $0

1: https://joplinapp.org/help/install/#mobile-applications

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#38

> Apple's latest devices apparently come equipped with a dedicated recovery partition Didn't they always have this, minus the wireless functionality, isn't that the entire point of DFU/Recovery Mode?

Well, pedantically DFU allows injecting someone else's recovery partition, usually from a computer over USB but probably from Apple's CDN if they have the equivalent of macOS's "Internet Recovery." What I'm guessing this change provides is that the iPhone itself carries a recovery partition, and based on the language allows pseudo-AirDrop-ing it to someone else

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious what you want from a jailbreak at this point? It seems all of the old things that were actually helpful have found them into first party software, or at least in the sanctioned third party. (internet tethering, emulators, side loaded apps, etc.)

I thank goodness I haven't been subjected to (mobile) Apple for many years in order to speak to what they "allow" and don't nowadays, but the short answer is that I want to *fucking own* the hardware I pay fuckloads of money to purchase Also, while I was typing out the "I want f-droid.org for iOS" I realized there is a pragmatic answer: I want to build and distribute apps without having to pay for the right to do so,…

That’s a web app, it’s on them if they don’t want to offer their services without requiring me to let them out of the web sandbox.

Re: Bricked iPhone 16 Can Be Restored Wirelessly Using Another iPhone

#40
post #2

If that can be done "off grid," then I welcome it because it's likely a jailbreak vector

Not a chance. iOS installs are cryptographically bound to the hardware itself installed on. It’s not possible to get an iPhone to boot an iOS install without an Apple server providing that cryptographic binding.

Well, one will observe that I said "off grid," because I was acutely aware of the desire for them to approve OS reinstalls

I know, "but muh sekurity" and all that, but when the grandkids find an antique iPhone 16 in a barn somewhere, and want to install an iOS image upon it to see how things were in the old-times, I want that to be technically possible even after Apple shuts down the old gatekeeping servers

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