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Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by BodyCulture »

sutra_on wrote: post #25
1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

The interesting thing about that is that no one in my (limited) experience uses the session view as it was intended to be used for music composition. After trying it for a bit, everyone seems to revert back to using the linear Arrangement view. Session view is still useful in some performance cases, but it makes me wonder if it would make sense to have it as an optional view, and not as the default view for all sessi…

How did you get that knowledge? Everyone?

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by daedalus_j »

BodyCulture wrote: post #28
1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

If only it finally was available for Linux!

I wish... Live is the only reason I have a windows partition anymore. I just can't quite get it to work in wine/emulation...

When I'm forced to upgrade to windows 11 I simply won't have Live anymore, because I won't be doing that, and so I haven't purchased the latest version and am starting to experiment with the alternatives. Makes me sad though, it'd be so great to have on Linux.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by peapicker »

yungporko wrote: post #10

somebody please make a plugin version of operator for both windows and mac, there are zero good options for fm synth plugins in 2024 except for sytrus on windows if they even still sell it. exacoustics GHOST is looking very promising though, just still in its teething stages

Try the Korg Opsix vst. I have the hardware, and the vst is the same. Great stuff!

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by squeaky-clean »

yungporko wrote: post #10

somebody please make a plugin version of operator for both windows and mac, there are zero good options for fm synth plugins in 2024 except for sytrus on windows if they even still sell it. exacoustics GHOST is looking very promising though, just still in its teething stages

Dexed, FM8, Opsix Native, Tracktion F'em, Rob Papen Blue3, Waves Flow Motion, Tone2 Nemesis.

There's also multimodal synths that can do FM like Bazille or MSoundFactory.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by ppqqrr »

1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

Yes, 22 years ago. And while they’ve expanded some plugin features, astonishingly little has changed/improved about the base Live since then. Even minor quality-of-life features like setting a default audio interface is not even on the roadmap for 22 years. I think part of that is probably the clientele, musicians aren’t exactly famous for asking for more from their tools. Maybe I’m a grump for not thinking that “session view vs arrangement view” (which is really a bare minimum digital mimicry of the popular music making interfaces of the 20th century: the magnetic tape and a vinyl loop) is enough as the dominant paradigm for music making in a world now driven by global, recursive, abstract navigation of/ negotiation with interconnected, automated logic processes… But I don't wanna be sarcastic.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by httpsterio »

BodyCulture wrote: post #28
1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

If only it finally was available for Linux!

Bitwig is made by ex-Ableton engineers and honestly, it blows Live out of the water in terms of flexibility.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by sramsay »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #12
yungporko wrote: post #10

somebody please make a plugin version of operator for both windows and mac, there are zero good options for fm synth plugins in 2024 except for sytrus on windows if they even still sell it. exacoustics GHOST is looking very promising though, just still in its teething stages

there are numerous good FM modules inside VCV Rack (and Cardinal), which have the benefit (or drawback) that you get full control over both upstream modulation and downstream processing. And they exist for all platforms that Rack (& Cardinal) run on, not just "windows and mac".

Hear, hear! I absolutely love FM-OP from Bogaudio. In fact, I'd say I use that more than any other FM softsynth mentioned in this thread.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by enqk »

marpstar wrote: post #27
sutra_on wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting thing about that is that no one in my (limited) experience uses the session view as it was intended to be used for music composition. After trying it for a bit, everyone seems to revert back to using the linear Arrangement view. Session view is still useful in some performance cases, but it makes me wonder if it would make sense to have it as an optional view, and not as the default view for all sessi…

Very interesting. When my buddies and I started playing in Ableton after years in Adobe Audition (circa 2010?), we immersed ourselves in Session view for writing and piecing everything together, building songs top-down instead of left-to-right. It completely changed our entire workflows, and that seemed like the point. I'm only ever in arrangement view when I'm finalizing the order of the sections before final mix do…

Same here, I only move to the arrangement after I spent enough time on a piece in session view. It's also the place I put jamming results

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by amazing_stories »

sutra_on wrote: post #25
1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

The interesting thing about that is that no one in my (limited) experience uses the session view as it was intended to be used for music composition. After trying it for a bit, everyone seems to revert back to using the linear Arrangement view. Session view is still useful in some performance cases, but it makes me wonder if it would make sense to have it as an optional view, and not as the default view for all sessi…

Same here, everyone I've introduced to Live has been completely stumped by session view and preferred linear arrangement. I don't understand why it's the default view other than hanging on to the idea that this software is first a live looping tool and DAW second.

Re: Twenty Years of FM Synthesis Inside Ableton Live

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Post by Slow_Hand »

sutra_on wrote: post #25
1zael wrote: post #17

Ableton is an epitome of software design innovation. I think few people understand how groundbreaking the Session View vs Arrangement View design was to advance the workflow of both produced and live music. Subcomponents like Operator created design patterns that are widely adopted by most VSTs today. Kudos to the Ableton team for crafting a product that is so beloved.

The interesting thing about that is that no one in my (limited) experience uses the session view as it was intended to be used for music composition. After trying it for a bit, everyone seems to revert back to using the linear Arrangement view. Session view is still useful in some performance cases, but it makes me wonder if it would make sense to have it as an optional view, and not as the default view for all sessi…

Session view user here.

It’s trivially easy to make arrangement view your default view. You simply hit tab to switch the view to arrangement and then overwrite your default template in the ‘File’ menu. Now you’re set.

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