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They stole my voice with AI

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Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by throwaway0123_5 »

carmackfan wrote: post #30

This whole argument rests on the absurd assumption that you can "own" a voice as if it's property. Does this mean people can own the patterns of vibration in air? It's completely nonsensical.

Ownership as a whole is a social/legal construct, no? [1] You only "own" something insofar as you control it. Societies build frameworks that aid people in controlling things based on who they think deserves control of those things. This clearly can vary widely between societies; the USA used to think owning people was perfectly OK and some places still do. Nobody has absolute control over (almost?) anything, and I think if a society provides many legal protections to something like a voice (who can profit off of it, who goes to jail if they try to copy it), it can be "owned" to as meaningful an extent as anything else.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by godelski »

aktenlage wrote: post #158
godelski wrote: post #140

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> what if AI was used to imitate a person saying something blasphemeous? I've been contemplating writing an open letter to Dang to nuke my account. Because at this time you can likely deanonymize any user with a fair amount of comments. As long as you can correlate. You can certainly steal their language, even if not 100% accurate. It may be caution, but it isn't certain that we won't enter a dark forest and there's…

Another solution would be to use an LLM to rephrase your posts, wouldn't it? Not a great outlook though, if everybody does this...

Not really. Though that will average language and poison LLMs. I'm not sure I want either of those to happen.

Besides, topics and shared details are also pii. It's more that they aren't useful in that way until you have scale.

Plus, on HN you can't edit posts after some time.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by rustcleaner »

anal_reactor wrote: post #122
ninalanyon wrote: post #108

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The original meaning of the word computer was a person who calculates. Looks perfectly clear to me.

I have a very funny example of how using outdated words might lead to miscommunication, but unfortunately that particular one could get me banned, so let's just say that I'm a huge fan of picking a version of langauge from one specific time period and sticking to it, instead of having the reader do all the guesswork.

Nothing feels quite like running gay and free with creative language! :^)

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by godelski »

yreg wrote: post #212
godelski wrote: post #140

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> what if AI was used to imitate a person saying something blasphemeous? I've been contemplating writing an open letter to Dang to nuke my account. Because at this time you can likely deanonymize any user with a fair amount of comments. As long as you can correlate. You can certainly steal their language, even if not 100% accurate. It may be caution, but it isn't certain that we won't enter a dark forest and there's…

I treat my accounts an non-anonymous unless I use a single-use throwaway. I suppose even a throwaway could be linked to my identity if a comment was long enough, but probably only with some limited certainty.

I treat mine as semi. I mean I'm not trying to hide from the government or anything, but yeah I'll say things I might not want to say under my clear name either. Don't we all? We all wear different masks in different groups. We all are different people in different groups too.

We're human, we all have stuff to "hide". I might want to vent about my boss or work and if they heard it that would certainly take it different than it was intended. We even complain about our friends, especially our close friends. Because no relationship is without conflict. But being human we often have to actualize our feelings with words, because we're social creatures. I'll at times complain about my partner, but that doesn't mean they also aren't my favorite person in the world.

To be human requires some anonymity. And no one should feel like they're going to be scrutinized for every little thing they say.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by godelski »

greenchair wrote: post #208
kossTKR wrote: post #153

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Yep, im sure lots of people have written a lot of random stuff on a lot of forums that should absolutely stay anonymous from gossip to family secrets to honesty about career/workplace and what not. If stylometric analysis runs on all comments on the internet then yeah. Bad things will happen, very very bad. I honestly think it should be at least illegal to do this kind of analysis because it'll be a treasure trove fo…

I wonder if in this timeline it would cause people to clean up their behavior online and only post things they are comfortable having being linked back to their real identity. Would have a chilling effect.

There's quite a few sci-fi books, movies, and TV shows that explore this concept. Probably the most well known is 1984

But I'm pretty sure this would make life very bland. Slow down innovation as we become less creative, less willing to deviate from the norm, and the Overton window of what's socially acceptable narrows. After all, we do love having enemies in some way or another, even if it means making them up.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by rishikeshs »

geerlingguy wrote: post #330
rishikeshs wrote: post #187

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Thanks. Would be great if you could write a bit about it.

Honestly I'm not the heraldry guy or ancestry guy in my family, but I thought it looked cool and helped make an SVG of it for a shirt my uncle made for all the family one year, so I slapped it in the footer of the blog :)

Haha that’s wonderful. I’m fascinated by coat of arms. I’m from Southern India, and We don’t have anything like this except for may be royal families. I’m thinking of making one myself, but not sure how this works and hence I asked! :)

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by godelski »

shevekofurras wrote: post #213
godelski wrote: post #140

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> what if AI was used to imitate a person saying something blasphemeous? I've been contemplating writing an open letter to Dang to nuke my account. Because at this time you can likely deanonymize any user with a fair amount of comments. As long as you can correlate. You can certainly steal their language, even if not 100% accurate. It may be caution, but it isn't certain that we won't enter a dark forest and there's…

You can't nuke your account. You can close it but your comments remain on the site. They'll delete your account and assign your comments and posts to a random username. Yes this violates any EU citizen's right to be forgotten under GDPR. Welcome to silicon valley.

  > You can't nuke your account. You can close it but your comments remain on the site.
Which is why I'd write an open letter and not do the thing. If I could nuke my account I wouldn't need to ask Dang, and I would have already done it.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by beefnugs »

mbrumlow wrote: post #24
toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

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California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

I actually like this: it might be the first case of a "support the underdog" phenomenon. Suddenly some voice actor who sounds a lot like the already rich popular one, can get a bunch of gigs by barely talking a bit into an AI and selling their likeness. (doesn't really extrapolate into the future properly, but still not many examples of this)

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by t0bia_s »

We should adopt and use to it. There will be more and more fake AI created content every day so we should be confrontend with it to learn how to react to it.

Regulating prolong adoption and take resources.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

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Post by kbelder »

djoldman wrote: post #253

> I remember when OpenAI practically cloned Scarlett Johanssen's voice ... I don't have a dog in this fight but just to be clear, OpenAI has stated that they paid a voice actor to create the voice ("Sky") that sounds like Scarlett Johanssen. There was no "cloning" or "stealing" (that they say). https://openai.com/index/how-the-voices-for-chatgpt-were-cho...

It's interesting that this rumor has been pointed out at least three times in this discussion, and every time it's voted down. Doesn't fit with the passions of many posters, I guess.
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