It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released • Hacker News Board

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by wiredfool » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 2:42 AM UTC

ibdknox wrote: post #62

silasb wrote: post #61

I was highly surprised this worked for Snow Leopard and it being almost 2 releases old. Nice job.

A fair number of people were still on Snow Leopard (because Lion is a bit of a disaster), so we were very intentional about making that work.

I'm getting this on Snow Leopard (x86):

  --- Checking for updates... 
  --- Starting server... (this takes several seconds) 
  --- Server up! 
  The application cannot be opened because it has an incorrect executable format.

But, hitting localhost:8833 does bring up the app.

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by __mark__ » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 2:55 AM UTC

freyday wrote: post #89

edoloughlin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an ideological or practical opposition? Java is cross-platform enough for it not to be an issue. Are you memory-constrained?

Mostly due to the security risk. Especially on Windows. Even being a software developer (read: not your average computer user) and taking extra precautions (like click-to-run for java use in browsers) I've still gotten hit by malware that takes advantage of security holes in the Java runtime.

You could use a virtual machine running Linux for more security.

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by tzury » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 3:22 AM UTC

I had to install Java on my Ubuntu box to evaluate this, and I am happy about it.

In other words, it worth the effort[1].

Looking forward Python support. See how it will help me compose faster.

[1] http://rootzwiki.com/topic/23008-howto-install-java-7-on-ubu...

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by edwinyzh » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 6:36 AM UTC

Good to see the progress, Chris. I'm a kickstarter backer and I'm watching this project.

If I ever get any inspirations for LIVEditor (my own live html/css/js editor) I'll give the credits here:

http://liveditor.com/credits.html

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by cnf » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 7:53 AM UTC

freyday wrote: post #89

edoloughlin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an ideological or practical opposition? Java is cross-platform enough for it not to be an issue. Are you memory-constrained?

Mostly due to the security risk. Especially on Windows. Even being a software developer (read: not your average computer user) and taking extra precautions (like click-to-run for java use in browsers) I've still gotten hit by malware that takes advantage of security holes in the Java runtime.

I second the exact sentiment on OSX.

And running a VM with linux (or windows, java is as much a pain on either platform) is a lot of effort for running an editor.

As long as it needs java installed, I'm out...

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by lucian1900 » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 8:50 AM UTC

freyday wrote: post #89

edoloughlin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an ideological or practical opposition? Java is cross-platform enough for it not to be an issue. Are you memory-constrained?

Mostly due to the security risk. Especially on Windows. Even being a software developer (read: not your average computer user) and taking extra precautions (like click-to-run for java use in browsers) I've still gotten hit by malware that takes advantage of security holes in the Java runtime.

Then disable the java plugin for all your browsers. I think you can even disable java web start.

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by lucian1900 » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 8:54 AM UTC

The server starts up for me with:

> light table

  --- Checking for updates... 
  --- Starting server... (this takes several seconds) 
 nohup: redirecting stderr to stdout
  --- Server up! 
  --- Starting Chrome

But then I get a blank window in Chrome pointing to http://localhost:8833/. If I reload, it loads forever. I've stopped and started it a few times, and once I got a dark background, another time I got some Clojure code loaded as plain text.

Running this on Ubuntu 12.04 amd64. It happens with OpenJDK (Java 6), OpenJDK (Java 7) and Sun (Java 6).

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by swaroop » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 12:24 PM UTC

jurjenh wrote: post #104

JBiserkov wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an official, up-to-date ("within a week or so of milestones on Clojure main") .NET port at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr Maybe once Light Table is somewhat stable, someone can hack it to use ClojureCLR for the benefit of the security-conscious Windows users :) I really should get involved in open source projects.

I think the issue will be compiling it for the CLR and then distributing it. The current script gets and runs a JAR, but I 'd imagine it would be relatively trivial to modify the script to run the CLR instead - but you'd have to build from the source included in the JAR (if it's all there...) Haven't had much experience with it myself, it has been a while since I've played with Clojure.

Or simply use [IKVM](http://www.ikvm.net/).

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by aliukani » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 12:58 PM UTC

ibdknox wrote: post #62

silasb wrote: post #61

I was highly surprised this worked for Snow Leopard and it being almost 2 releases old. Nice job.

A fair number of people were still on Snow Leopard (because Lion is a bit of a disaster), so we were very intentional about making that work.

> because Lion is a bit of a disaster

How so?

Re: It's Playtime - Light Table Playground released

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Post by addisaden » Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 1:38 PM UTC

I really love the way, i can test coljuresnippets.

Its really amazing and a really good expirience in debugging!