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If we're God's plan, she mustn't have put too much thought into it.
How many of your complex projects have gone according to plan?
"No plan survives getting punched in the face" -- Helmuth von Tyson
Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
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Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#32> Do generative interfaces -- replacing creating with searching -- bring a person closer or further from feeling like they have touched the limits of their creative potential and created something truly from their heart? ...
> Why is a machine "discovering" cubism a good thing?
Maybe because creativity in this space was exclusive to a few, but now I get to at least imitate it. A machine doing the creativity part could act like a prosthetic leg for my brain, who was missing it altogether.
Sure, I'll never be Picasso myself, but I don't have to wait for one to be born either. The tool can find new ways for me to express myself.
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whose plan was god?
Meta-God.
And yes, it's meta-gods all the way up.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job:_A_Comedy_of_Justice
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they are their children...and also humans?
Do you prefer a dumb citizen of your own country to a genius foreigner? I do not. I don’t care about the form. I care about intelligence.
Most people care more for those closer to them. Distinctions such as "are they foreign" can be part of that, but so too can denomination, political preference, sports team.
We evolved to care for our young, and co-evolved with dogs and cats to like them too; AI can hijack that, become a drug dealer selling endogenous dopamine and oxytocin — it will feel good while being fake, just like exogenous drugs.
But once we can truly engineer minds, deliberately… we're not ready for what that does to our concept of "free will" amongst other things.
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#35Humans are not special. Intelligence is. If we create something more intelligent than us, this is the way it should be. Maybe they will build their civilization better than we did — and we did many things that weren’t smart and beautiful, to say the least.
This clinging to religious convictions is rather weird.
What do you actually get out of it?
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#36> Do generative interfaces -- replacing creating with searching -- bring a person closer or further from feeling like they have touched the limits of their creative potential and created something truly from their heart? ... > Why is a machine "discovering" cubism a good thing? Maybe because creativity in this space was exclusive to a few, but now I get to at least imitate it. A machine doing the creativity part coul…
I don’t think the machine will find new ways for you to express yourself, it will only find ways you can impress others. As I see it, it is a prosthetic leg for you ego, not your creativity.
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#37Humans are not special. Intelligence is. If we create something more intelligent than us, this is the way it should be. Maybe they will build their civilization better than we did — and we did many things that weren’t smart and beautiful, to say the least.
Some of us don't agree with you, and think humans are unique. Do you think it's natural that we'll be forced to give up on a future we want for our children for an unknown scenario in which we have no part in?
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#38> Do generative interfaces -- replacing creating with searching -- bring a person closer or further from feeling like they have touched the limits of their creative potential and created something truly from their heart? ... > Why is a machine "discovering" cubism a good thing? Maybe because creativity in this space was exclusive to a few, but now I get to at least imitate it. A machine doing the creativity part coul…
> A machine doing the creativity part could act like a prosthetic leg for my brain,
Are you saying that we all have the innate ability to create art, and that anyone who creates art has a "handicap"?
This is the point the writer was making. If you let AI make the art they people will never learn how to make art.
To be able to be whatever you want while you are alive is going to make every human useless. You will be able to be replaced by anyone who can make a similar copy. Adn maybe this is the point of AI.
You know, women were attracted to me because of my photography and musicianship. These were genetic traits specific to me. Other women were attracted to men who were maybe more logical. What is going to happen when we can all have the person we want? I will tell you, art will be dead. No one will make art, because art is not about intelligence, it is about tension, conflict, jealousy, pain, joy and psychosis. And you cannot have those if everyone can do anything and be anyone.
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#39The analogy with the scientific method is prescient. We’re just as interested in when the theories don’t work as when they do. I recently asked an AI if a build tool supported managing Python dependencies. It showed me a code snippet with something called pip_import() in it. No such function exists but it’s anathema to that particular system to say “I’m afraid I can’t do that, gorgoiler”. Yet!
It’s like when it cites scientific papers that don’t exist. They probably should!
I've been quite impressed by perplexity AI. It doesn't cite papers, but it does cite the web sources it's mined. I don't think papers are that far away.
Re: Is this the civilization we want? (2017)
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they are their children...and also humans?
Do you prefer a dumb citizen of your own country to a genius foreigner? I do not. I don’t care about the form. I care about intelligence.
Put a Nobel prize winner on the proverbial trolley tracks, and there are 10-20 close family and friends I'd choose to save before them.
Universalism is more fair, but it's suicidal for a culture to think like this.