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They stole my voice with AI

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Re: They stole my voice with AI

#61

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But they should owe you for stealing your likeliness without your awareness to promote their products. This isn’t for satire purposes.

How much? This IP/copyright mentality is so 90s/2000s. Brings back memories of Napster. This Jeff Geerling which I have never heard of will cry until some Spotify of AI appears and pay him some pennies. Maybe he wants to be the James Hetfield/Metallica of this generation. This guy doesn't have 1/10000 of the relevance Metallica had at the time tho.

How are you on hacker news and never have heard of Jeff Geerling? He's a goat in the ansible and raspberry pi world.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#62
post #8

>I haven't decided what to do. Make a video, say what you think, get views, and probably put more pressure on Elecrow to respond.

What I want to know is...

Does this controversy all become free publicity for elecrow?

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#63

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California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

Seems silly. What if I train my model on somebody who sounds like a somebody?

If your thing got data of somebody who sounds like somebody else but users use not "somebody" but "somebody else" to generate derivatives then you know your answer:)

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#64
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I don't see why using AI would get around Midler vs. Ford. If anything, there is even less of an argument to be made in your defense when you use AI to replicate a voice, instead of using another voice actor to replicate the voice.

Real solution is to never use the voice actors again, and cut them out from the very beginning.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#65
post #33

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How much? This IP/copyright mentality is so 90s/2000s. Brings back memories of Napster. This Jeff Geerling which I have never heard of will cry until some Spotify of AI appears and pay him some pennies. Maybe he wants to be the James Hetfield/Metallica of this generation. This guy doesn't have 1/10000 of the relevance Metallica had at the time tho.

The danger of this shit can not be understated. Four years ago already there was a video where a deepfake of a president of the USA read a speech: In Event of Moon Disaster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLadJFI8Pk we of course know Nixon never gave this speech. What happens when this "AI" is used to sway an election? Last month a family got hospitalized after eating mushrooms they found and identified from a AI ge…

Hi chx, long time no see! And I agree; deepfakes and voice cloning is already past the point it's fooling relatives. Some are good enough I have to spend time double checking if it's real or not. There are very real implications to all that, and being able to verify true from false is going to get more challenging in many circumstances.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#66
post #23

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It's going to be an interesting First Amendment question.

Might as well make photoshopping and manual audio tweaking / impersonation illegal, since its the same ballpark, just less effort.

We need better liable and slander enforcement. Treat realistic media as a truth claim that is subject to liable laws.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#67
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I appreciate his pointer to precedent, but the truth is that while precedent is a start, we're going to need to do work with principles beyond precedent. When tech introduces unprecedented capabilities, we will either figure out how to draw boundaries within which it (among other features of society) works for people, not against them, or we'll let it lead us closer to a world in which the strong do what they will an…

California recently signed some legislation into effect. It’s a start. Congress is working on “No Artificial Intelligence Fake Replicas And Unauthorized Duplications Act.” Still in dev in the House, but has bipartisan support. Call your congressperson, ask them to co-sponsor and/or vote for it. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-bills-pro... https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/salazar-intro…

They’re stifling creativity with these anti-AI bills! “No AI unathorized duplications”… these regulations are going to hold this country back while others advance. Mark Andreessen is very much against this government overreach

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#68
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Maybe I am crazy but I don't really think it sounds that much like him. It's a little similar but different. It's slightly higher pitch, more nasal, and the intonation is a little different.

With the tools I'm aware of you just add clips of as many types of voices you want blended in and it blends everything in them to an unknowable uncontrollable degree plus entropy of the system. I suspect their story is they have added in more pleasant sounding voices to the mix which provides enough differentiation.

Question is: who is to say how much is needed before it escapes likeness theft? The king of generic nerd voices is going to claim excessive likeness and the accused lifter isn't going to reveal his whole process. Also tuning AI voices by ear is surely possible soon so category kings are not saved by demanding to be left out of training. A ministry of voice authority sounds bleak.

Re: They stole my voice with AI

#69

It’s the Wild West and will be for some time but I agree, they should have the decency to use only voices of the dear departed. The library should be open source and hosted on GitHub. the talking dead seems like a good name for it. Obviously we will have to put it to a vote among the living.

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Re: They stole my voice with AI

#70
We have 100s of tools that are about voice cloning - of course we’ll get content with cloned voices.

Same as it happens with unauthorized use of someone’s images. And platforms and their moderation teams have processes in place to report and remove that. Looks like we need something similar for voice.

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