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Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by Sparyjerry »

coliveira wrote: post #28
ChuckMcM wrote: post #17

I have a long rant about how open source is wage theft and value extraction by unscrupulous third parties is built in and unavoidable. But setting that aside, I learned of WP Engine when they launched here, on hacker news. At the time their value proposition was "bullet proof and secure wordpress for people who just want to publish and not learn devops". Over the years, I've watched them through a progression of mana…

> rant about how open source is wage theft and value extraction by unscrupulous third parties is built in and unavoidable Yes, I came to realize the same thing about open source, it was created with lofty ideals, but the practice is just the opposite. Of course, most people will not agree with this conclusion since the whole industry will tell them otherwise.

Obviously many people will use open source without contributing. The point of making it open source being that others will run into bugs, let you know about them, and maybe even try to fix them, especially if they also become or are reliant on the software. They might even want improvements to make it work for them and again work on them if they have a need for it. If a software is good and/or mature enough it doesn't need to be open source in the first place and doesn't need contributions. Wordpress has sort of reached that mature place where it is already 'good enough' but you can't now un-open source it.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by sureIy »

steviedotboston wrote: post #63

It's pretty bizarre to claim that WP Engine is causing confusion here when the real confusion is between WordPress.org and WordPress.com

Is it honestly that confusing? One has a download button and one lets you sign up. Anyone knowing who to set up that zip file knows the difference.

What you could argue is that Automattic is gatekeeping the best features to the .com and using it as a manager/trojanhorse for the .org version.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by Kye »

usaphp wrote: post #75
Kye wrote: post #32

This has the same energy as a spat between two Mastodon instances. Did he make any effort to work this out with them in private? I'd think he would mention that if he did. Actually, since WordPress supports ActivityPub now, it's a spat between two massive AP platforms with apocalyptic potential. Someone needs to get follower migration from WordPress to anything else on the AP fediverse done quick.

He mentioned during the talk that he made multiple attempts to resolve this in private but the other side wasn’t interested in hearing him, he also said he did not want to do this presentation

That's an hour long video. This detail should be in the post. A few sentences at most.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by x0x0 »

sgammon wrote: post #6

> WordPress is a content management system, and the content is sacred. Every change you make to every page, every post, is tracked in a revision system I'm not sure I see how the absence of a revision tracking system rises to a violation of sacred principles.

Not to mention I'm skeptical the majority of WPEngine sites are blogs, particularly with prices starting at $240 a year.

Rather they're company marketing sites. That's certainly what I used WPEngine for, and the service was well made, particularly their ability to test WP updates in staging.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by browningstreet »

I hosted on WP Engine for many, many years and everything got slower, including their control panel.

I moved to a service that cost me less for two years than what I paid WPE for one month, and they’re faster and have had zero issues. I also had to rely on backups and they worked too.

WPE was great in theory a few years ago, but then they acquired a few other companies and added too many distancing layers for tech support. They have professional features and a cool API, but their hosting speeds are now abysmal.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by jodrellblank »

sgammon wrote: post #42
SadTrombone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn on an extremely limited version. Did you read the post?

I did read the post, yes. Why does everyone keep asking everyone that?

Because they don't read the HN guidelines: "Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that"" - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by nsonha »

wmf wrote: post #56
bastawhiz wrote: post #33

Am I missing something? This feels like such a bizarre hill to die on. He's upset that a company offers hosting of his software with a default setting changed. I guess, don't have that setting then? There's no mention of the source code being changed or custom patches being applied. So the allegation that it's "something that they’ve chopped up, hacked, butchered to look like WordPress" is maximally overblown. Unless…

Matt is mad that WP Engine is profiting without contributing much back. This "it's not WordPress" seems like a fig leaf on top of that concern.

But the wording makes it like it's about revisions.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by dathos »

blackoil wrote: post #68
addicted wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you seem to have the argument backwards. The argument isn’t that “turning off saving revision data” is terrible. That’s not the problem or the argument. The argument is that private equity will use open source, maximize profits from the Labour open source volunteers have done, and minimize costs wherever they can. The “default setting” is an example of this behavior. Also, calling turning off all historical revi…

Why open source the software, if you don't want others to use it?

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Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by giancarlostoro »

bastawhiz wrote: post #33

Am I missing something? This feels like such a bizarre hill to die on. He's upset that a company offers hosting of his software with a default setting changed. I guess, don't have that setting then? There's no mention of the source code being changed or custom patches being applied. So the allegation that it's "something that they’ve chopped up, hacked, butchered to look like WordPress" is maximally overblown. Unless…

A more accurate title would have not claimed its not WordPress, but moreso emphasized that WP Engine does not provide historic record of your blog posts by default, which every other WP host does, because its how WordPress was designed. Weird title, feels misleading.

Re: WP Engine is not WordPress

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Post by n3storm »

Kye wrote: post #35
bastawhiz wrote: post #33

Am I missing something? This feels like such a bizarre hill to die on. He's upset that a company offers hosting of his software with a default setting changed. I guess, don't have that setting then? There's no mention of the source code being changed or custom patches being applied. So the allegation that it's "something that they’ve chopped up, hacked, butchered to look like WordPress" is maximally overblown. Unless…

Automattic's own managed WordPress platform severely restricts features all the way up to the top plan. I guess it's okay for them to do it. edit: I am referring to WordPress.com which is the offering comparable to WP Engine.

Cannot upload own themes or plugins at WordPress.com

Also there has been issues for years when trying to move away and transfer __your__ domain to another provider.

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