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Porsche's idea for a six-stroke internal combustion engine

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Re: Porsche's idea for a six-stroke internal combustion engine

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Post by Tade0 »

mistercheph wrote: post #111
Tade0 wrote: post #73

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There's a huge overlap between people who seek out such experiences and those who drive recklessly and modify their exhausts.

Or maybe you're not particularly interested in cars or the people who are interested in cars and you can't tell the difference / assume all of "those" people are the same,

I actually am - mostly the engineering part of them though and to me, to paraphrase a prominent local motoring journalist, motoring is dead - EVs are a transition propulsion method and the end state is no motoring as we currently understand it and maintaining a car broadly considered lame.

The only people I've met who are car enthusiasts and don't go for the reckless/loud style of driving are people like my friend - a car mechanic who managed to form a single, road worthy Nissan Z31 from two defunct halves.

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Post by wkat4242 »

jbgt wrote: post #104
Szpadel wrote: post #65

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I think many of people here live in US and assume that it everywhere things look similar. in my European country electric infrastructure is not ready for electric cars and with current energy prices this makes no financial sense. I own plug in hybrid and I live in apartment meaning I have no possibility to charge at home. near me (about 10 min of walking there is public single phase allow charger with 2 plugs machine…

If I may disagree: I live in a flat with a fully electric vehicle. It's just a matter of planning around charging a bit. Once you think ahead (and it's not dramatic), you don't notice anymore. I find plug in hybrids make no sense: electrification is the future.

I would really hate having to keep going out to move my car to a charger, then go out again to move it back to another parking spot when it's done (usually you pay a fine if you keep it at the charger). It's just so much work and it means I can't sit down and relax. And parking spaces in my area are extremely limited at night so every time I move I'd have to worry about finding one again (and a free charger too obviously which also seem to be extremely rare, I just know of one about 1km away)

For me a car is about convenience and having to worry about it and going out and doing things with it when I'm not even using it is the opposite of convenient. It should just be there and ready when I need it and forgotten when I don't. And it should be as cheap and low-maintenance as possible. If every parking space had a charger and I could just plug it in and forget about it when I park it, it'd be acceptable (in fact better than an ICE because at times I also had to remember to refuel it for an early trip). What adds to this also is that I don't really have a 'routine', my life is really ad-hoc.

So for me it would be a huge dealbreaker to have an EV until chargers are everywhere. But right now I have the perfect solution anyway which is not even having or needing a car at all :) My city has amazing public transport and 20 euros gets me an unlimited monthly travel pass. I don't even like spending money on cars, and when I did still own one it was usually a 1500-2000 euro old banger meaning that EVs are out of my price range anyway (even used ones will never be that cheap).

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Post by mistercheph »

frankgrimesjr wrote: post #19
ttwwmm wrote: post #2

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For sports cars, internal combustion engines still provide a weight advantage over battery packs.

I'm really looking forward to when someone manages to bring to market an EV that is light and efficient with small battery pack and lowish range that is purely about driving pleasure and fun, but E/V early adopters still want massive ten thousand pound luxury tanks, for now!

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Post by jprete »

aziaziazi wrote: post #86
wiseowise wrote: post #36

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They’re already heavily taxed. But why vilified?

A tax can help common infrastructures (building road) or limit something (cigarettes price) Some people think the ICE car tax(es) already in place are not sufficient compared to the damage they cause. To reduce usage, both tax and public opinion (shaming, vilifying) works great. It’s regrettable the efforts only focus on a car motors, the most dangerous property of a car is it’s weight (and emissions depends on that…

Vilifying things doesn't accomplish anything because the negative opinion becomes a cultural split. People don't care about the hatred of their out-group and lots of people will seek it out to burnish their status with the in-group.

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Post by thebruce87m »

Szpadel wrote: post #65
ttwwmm wrote: post #2

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I think many of people here live in US and assume that it everywhere things look similar. in my European country electric infrastructure is not ready for electric cars and with current energy prices this makes no financial sense. I own plug in hybrid and I live in apartment meaning I have no possibility to charge at home. near me (about 10 min of walking there is public single phase allow charger with 2 plugs machine…

> in my European country electric infrastructure is not ready for electric cars and with current energy prices this makes no financial sense.

I’m always amazed by statements like this. People who have lived through the rollout of the internet to the masses can’t see how we’d modify existing structure to accommodate needs. We had phone lines initially, 20 years later now we have 5G, fibre, satellites.

They just dug up every street in my European town to put fibre internet in. We already had broadband in the town. They dug up every street to give us fibre that most people won’t even need over their existing connection. People look at this and say “how will we charge electric cars” when we are already surrounded by electricity.

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Post by pkphilip »

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #26
lb1lf wrote: post #7

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Presumably as Porsche is not about efficient transportation; it is about emotion, driving as an experience, making a statement, etc. Chances are there will be - or, at least, Porsche appears to bet there will be - a sufficient number of well-heeled enthusiasts who prefer the sound, smell and vibration of an ICE to the quiet performance of an electric motor. I am really curious to see how this pans out in a generation…

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There are plenty of place around the world where there isn't sufficient capacity in the grid even for powering the houses.. let alone EVs

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Post by oezi »

threeseed wrote: post #120
jbgt wrote: post #104

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If I may disagree: I live in a flat with a fully electric vehicle. It's just a matter of planning around charging a bit. Once you think ahead (and it's not dramatic), you don't notice anymore. I find plug in hybrids make no sense: electrification is the future.

I assume you live in the US. Because in almost every other country there is a real lack of decent charging infrastructure. Especially outside of densely populated areas.

I think Europe and China aren't doing so bad on charging infrastructure.

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Post by _factor »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #110
LightBug1 wrote: post #109

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They're called sports cars for a reason. They're driven far less than everyday cars. They're fantastic fun. I'm an enviromentalist and I'd still buy an ICE Porsche. No EV has come close ... only the Hyundai ioniq 5 N seems to be looking interesting.

>I'm an enviromentalist and I'd still buy an ICE Porsche. Environmentalists walk or ride bikes.

“I’m a vegetarian, but I’d still scarf down a steak.”

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Post by hnlmorg »

thebruce87m wrote: post #28
hnlmorg wrote: post #12

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Electric cars still consume fossil fuels. It’s just earlier in the pipeline. People love to talk about combustion engines being pollutants but few people talk about just how damaging it is mining for rare metals to make those batteries. Nor how harmful for the environment it is disposing of old batters (we haven’t yet solved the problem of recycling them either). And that’s before you even touch on problems at the po…

Many of the myths you are posting are busted here: https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-ab... The national grid in the UK was so fed up with people making claims about the grid capacity it also busted some too: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/ele... > The highest peak electricity demand in the UK in recent years was 62GW in 2002. Since then, the nation’s peak demand has f…

> Many of the myths you are posting are busted

That article addresses literally just one of my claims

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Post by goodpoint »

xxs wrote: post #33
goodpoint wrote: post #25

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> Even thought I'd agree mass EV would not be carried by the current grid In many places putting solar panels on roofs and on parking spaces would solve such issue.

Talk about North Europe winters - all the forever gray (and snow)

https://globalwindatlas.info/en and https://globalsolaratlas.info/map
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