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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sgerenser »

userbinator wrote: post #16
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12

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> almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure Sorry, which of a 9-volt battery, alcohol wipes, safety glasses or sand (and a container for it) screams inaccessible? (And everything there is technically optional. I doubt most Treo 650 users drained the battery before touching it, or bothered with a suction cup.) Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over havin…

Not "inaccessible" but totally unnecessary. Why the bloody hell do you need a 9-volt battery to replace the battery!?!? Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over having to replace my phone every time it gets wet. Gaskets have been around for over a century.

Apparently the 9v battery runs enough current through the metallic case of the battery to melt and release the adhesive so you can pull the old battery out. Seems like a pretty clever solution, if not a bit over-engineered: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/28/new-battery-replacement...

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by refurb »

Sakos wrote: post #63
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

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When I buy an iPhone I know I’m not buying a phone optimized for easy user repair.

I go in eyes wide open and I’m fine with it.

I know the product is optimized for compactness and efficient use of space. It’s optimized for ruggedness, and water resistance.

I would never do a self-repair and expect the cover to be held on with Phillips screws and a bulky o-ring.

And if I choose to do a self-repair I fully expect that I’ll need to buy expensive tools I can’t use with any other brand. And I don’t expect Apple to create a manual for “how to do janky iPhone repairs at home with a multi-tool and silicone caulking”

I’m well aware that if this is not the kind of phone I want, then I’ll keep looking for another phone manufacturer.

It’s like buying a Porsche and complaining it’s hard to fit a car seat in or ask “why isn’t there room for hauling building materials”. If I want those things I don’t look at Porsches.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by palata »

refurb wrote: post #82
Sakos wrote: post #63

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When I buy an iPhone I know I’m not buying a phone optimized for easy user repair. I go in eyes wide open and I’m fine with it. I know the product is optimized for compactness and efficient use of space. It’s optimized for ruggedness, and water resistance. I would never do a self-repair and expect the cover to be held on with Phillips screws and a bulky o-ring. And if I choose to do a self-repair I fully expect that…

> It’s like buying a Porsche and complaining

Is it, though? How many iPhone owners can afford a Porsche?

I don't think it's remotely like a Porsche: not the same volume, not the same customers. I could say "it's like buying shoes and expecting to be able to change shoelaces" and it wouldn't have much less value than your comparison.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by School-Cotton »

microtonal wrote: post #70
throwaway48540 wrote: post #62

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Yes, I do.

But that's most likely 1% of the market. They can have their own phones. The rest of us just want water resistance for accidental contact with water and easily replaceable batteries.

I think you’re in a techie bubble. I would wager more people care about better water resistance (for example, because they want to use their phone in the shower) than about easily replaceable batteries.

The overwhelming majority of people will never even contemplate trying to replace their own battery no matter how easy it is (unless it’s literally 90s/2000s-style snap on).

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sbuk »

miles wrote: post #2

> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 >. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that hold…

In contrast, the Treo 650 battery was considerably smaller in terms of capacity and significantly bigger in terms of physical size, leading to a bulkier device that had a significantly lower resolution, colour and physically sized screen. Lets not pretend the state of the art has not moved on.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by oarsinsync »

rjzzleep wrote: post #38
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

I was holding out for the EU DMA third party app store, but it's clear that Apple is not on a good trajectory. The fact that they slept on Siri for so long only to then finally add "Open"AI to it with limited availability is, but another dot in the pattern. When MacOS was still called OSX and developers were the Macbooks greatest contributors and cheerleaders, things looked a lot different. A lot of the current frame…

> I'll miss the closed loop payment card support from iOS

I was definitely hurting for a while for lack of this (and iMessage) on Windows. While I haven’t gotten over iMessage (and use a KVM with my iPad to resolve that), the additional friction for payments has actually been a boon for my bank account.

The more friction we feel with payments, the fewer payments we make. Cash is higher friction than cards. Manual card input is higher friction than password manager autocomplete. Autocomplete is higher friction than apple pay. I haven’t found anything lower friction than apple pay.

By switching back to password manager autocomplete (which is unreliable at best), I’ve found my spending has gone down, because the cost of friction in payment is higher than the value of the item.

(I clearly also have too much disposable income, but that’s a whole other tangent)

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sbuk »

microtonal wrote: post #70
throwaway48540 wrote: post #62

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Yes, I do.

But that's most likely 1% of the market. They can have their own phones. The rest of us just want water resistance for accidental contact with water and easily replaceable batteries.

Who is us? Likely a similar sized segment that wants to tinker and are Louis Rossman fans.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sbuk »

userbinator wrote: post #17
threeseed wrote: post #5

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That is significantly easier than trying to remove a glued-on battery. And removable batteries require far more internal space which is why they fell out of favour.

And removable batteries require far more internal space No they don't. Less than 1% extra volume.

Comparable battery capacity, materials and technology? No.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by pseudosaid »

palata wrote: post #83
refurb wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy an iPhone I know I’m not buying a phone optimized for easy user repair. I go in eyes wide open and I’m fine with it. I know the product is optimized for compactness and efficient use of space. It’s optimized for ruggedness, and water resistance. I would never do a self-repair and expect the cover to be held on with Phillips screws and a bulky o-ring. And if I choose to do a self-repair I fully expect that…

> It’s like buying a Porsche and complaining Is it, though? How many iPhone owners can afford a Porsche? I don't think it's remotely like a Porsche: not the same volume, not the same customers. I could say "it's like buying shoes and expecting to be able to change shoelaces" and it wouldn't have much less value than your comparison.

try again. affording a porsche, volume, and same customers have nothing to do with prior poster’s statement.

its about moving in next to a music club and complaining about noise

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by makeitdouble »

dperrin wrote: post #40
makeitdouble wrote: post #35

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Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

> Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? Lots of my bike tools I have will take over a decade to get my money back on my stuff alone. But I get to do something I mostly enjoy. I can also help out friends/acquaintances when they need it. The same goes for this.

What seems to be lost here:

- Bikes will last decades with good maintenance. An iPhone wont, even if the device hardware was somewhat kept alive most standard software functionalities will be lost.

- Bikes don't mandate fancy tools for regular maintenance. Regular people won't need your super pricey tools to replace brakes or tires. You can use them if you want to, but that's your hobby, not what the maker mandates.

You can enjoy nice tools, but that's orthogonal to the issue here IMHO.

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