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Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by diggan »

simoncion wrote: post #249
diggan wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Respectfully: if it was obvious, I wouldn't have come to the conclusion I did and written up what I wrote. Sorry about that, I think I assumed some familiarity with moving data around/migrations, and moving 10% of a customers data around from a legacy service to new service wouldn't make much sense in that context. > I bet it would be notably larger than you imagine it would be I think being able to capture 10% of…

> ...I think I assumed some familiarity with moving data around/migrations... I am familiar with this sort of thing, yes. I'm also professionally familiar with people who seem to think that it's totally acceptable to obligate folks to throw away large fractions of their valuable historical data in the name of cost savings. "Surely you can identify the most valuable 10% of your data!" they say. Given that I don't know…

> I chose to expect the worst from your somewhat-ambiguous statement

Yeah, I noticed that too. Not that my feelings are hurt or anything, but you might end up in friendlier and more productive discussions if you try to stick to the HN guidelines, which includes:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by diggan »

closeparen wrote: post #199
diggan wrote: post #114

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Both OVH and Hetzner offers unmetered connections for their dedicated servers, only had good experience with both so far (besides when one of OVH's data centers burned down, but hoping that was a exceptional situation)

In Europe. Hosting for North American customers is a completely different story.

I'm fairly sure Hetzner only host their dedicated from Germany or Finland, yeah. But OVH has dedicated servers in Europe, America and Asia if I recall correctly.

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by simoncion »

diggan wrote: post #251
simoncion wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...I think I assumed some familiarity with moving data around/migrations... I am familiar with this sort of thing, yes. I'm also professionally familiar with people who seem to think that it's totally acceptable to obligate folks to throw away large fractions of their valuable historical data in the name of cost savings. "Surely you can identify the most valuable 10% of your data!" they say. Given that I don't know…

> I chose to expect the worst from your somewhat-ambiguous statement Yeah, I noticed that too. Not that my feelings are hurt or anything, but you might end up in friendlier and more productive discussions if you try to stick to the HN guidelines, which includes: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news…

> ...you might end up in friendlier and more productive discussions...

Was this discussion unfriendly?

As for discussion productivity: I know that -historically- I've spent TONS of time going round in circles because of unexamined incorrect assumptions that crop up when both sides "steelman" the others' arguments, rather than speaking plainly, clearly, and politely about what they believe their conversation partner to have said. "Steelmanning" can be an acceptable backup strategy, but -IME- speaking clearly and plainly is the strongly preferred strategy between conversational partners who can remain civil.

I assume folks can remain civil in the face of polite questioning and assertion, and switch strategies if it turns out that they can't. To do it in the reverse order is just much, much slower and error-prone.

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says ... [a]ssume good faith.

Thing is, that was the strongest plausible interpretation of what you said. I assumed that you were making totally good-faith statements based on your background and structured my reply to be both polite and gather the most information reasonably possible about which of the totally plausible backgrounds you were speaking from with the fewest round trips. Had I not done this, and had you actually been one of those fools who revels in data destruction, we would likely have gone several rounds in mutual misunderstanding, rather than the half-round of solo confusion terminated by your reply that immediately cleared up the misunderstanding.

Anyway... if you have a couple of (6+) free months, you should TOTALLY clone Pivotal Tracker. IMO, the two HARD, HARD parts will be to replicate its ability to work offline, and its ability to integrate incoming changes from the server with unsaved changes on the client. Whoever wrote the data handling system for that program did a really, really, really good job.

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by Aeolun »

simoncion wrote: post #248
Aeolun wrote: post #241

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> Respectfully: if it was obvious, I wouldn't have come to the conclusion I did and written up what I wrote. I dunno, that felt obvious to me. Both the idea that you’d somehow manage to get all customers to migrate to your new service, as well as that they’d migrate only 10% of their data sound preposterous.

> ...as well as that they’d migrate only 10% of their data sound preposterous. Ah, I might be unduly affected by some big data (not Big Data, mind you) migrations that I'm currently involved in, where the Powers That Be are telling us that we have to throw away a huge fraction of our historical data. Well, that and the many times we've had to fight beancounters who popped on by to demand we save the company what amou…

I imagine the beancounters have little hope of just making the programmers go away, so they might as well be doing something useful :)

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by gregsadetsky »

If anyone is still lurking in this thread - how realistic would it be to try to buy Pivotal Tracker back from Broadcom?

Is the possible purchase cost below the minimum that Broadcom's legal department even accepts to look at? (i.e. they don't get involved with "small" sub-10M deals..?)

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by jFriedensreich »

Its really sad to see the best project management tool ever created fade away. Its not just the best and most intuitive way to do delivery predictions and team capacity planning but also somehow managed to reach peak interface. As development slowed down it felt more like a japanese tea cup that just reached perfection. (except for github integration)

would love to make a clone.

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by stogot »

dexterdog wrote: post #168
toomuchtodo wrote: post #141

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Backup to Backblaze B2, or, depending on architecture, rely on their object storage for hot data (depending on data cache and tier requirements). They partner with Cloudflare for free egress (on the Backblaze side) of public content as well. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part...

Cloudflare’s subscription agreement for self-serve accounts limits serving non-HTML content, including "video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content."

Can’t you embed images in html/js as base64 or binary?

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by enra »

t1mmen wrote: post #44
jeffnappi wrote: post #15

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Linear is the best project management for software I've ever used, highly recommend. They've added many many amazing features this year... Incredible team over there that are just a joy to work with.

+1. Linear is a great PM tool, maybe even the best. What makes it awesome is their support team. I’ve been in touch with them a handful of times over the past ~5 years, and each time, they’ve been excellent — fast response times, with genuine and tech savvy people on the other side.

I’m glad to hear! :)

Re: Pivotal Tracker will shut down

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Post by enra »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #80
jeffnappi wrote: post #15

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Linear is the best project management for software I've ever used, highly recommend. They've added many many amazing features this year... Incredible team over there that are just a joy to work with.

Linear is starting to hit against the boundary of enterprise requirements: tracking and compliance where as a product company needs to ship great products. The VC returns is in the former so it will be interesting to see which path they choose.

Linear founder here.

We aim to build the product in a way that it works well for smaller/early stage teams as well as all the way to the enterprise. So I think lot of the “enterprise” stuff will be optional.

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