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We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

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Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

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post #7

So how exactly do I get ESS running on my TrueNAS? Cant seem to find straight answer on their page.

Seems like ESS ist their managed solution, which uses Synapse but with an admin UI.

Thats at least how I understand it, because to "get" ESS you need to fill out a contact form.

https://try.element.io/get-started

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#23
I really hope this fixed a bunch of encryption and key issues.

We ran Element for our dev team for 6 months and had to give up because frequently a person would just not be able to decrypt a message, warnings would appear but there was no way to solve this. So literally people where missing messages and just having to ask people to post the message again (because there was no way to request the keys be sent). It was a complete disaster and only got worse over the 6 months.

The notifications icon was a mess too. You would frequently see the "unread messages" indicator for a message that was in a thread sub conversation somewhere, even though all the messages had been read. So again people were missing messages.

Despite numerous people begging for threads to be disabled while Element fixed the bug, they refused to put that option in.

In the end, we had to give up and just move to Slack. I really want Element/Matrix to work. I feel like we need it to work, but the lack of support and understanding from the development team would make be warn people to not use this in a professional/day job environment.

That being said, I'll defo be trying it out again personally with the hope they've listened to the community and fix these important bugs.

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#25

I’m curious why this is a separate app and not an update to the old app?

They wanted to reduce the duplicate work of maintaining multiple clients for each Platform, and created a rust library which can be used on all platforms.

And for the UI they use Jetpack Compose for the Android App and SwiftUI (I think that's how its called, correct me if I'm wrong) for iOS.

This way only the UI is "duplicate" but the core logic is maintained in the rust library.

EDIT: Okay just found my comment from 300 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38402710

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#26
post #24

I can't find anything on the page - does this mean Sliding Sync is now part of Synapse proper, without the proxy being needed? I can't test right now myself, maybe somebody else knows.

Yes, it's included (and enabled by default) since v1.114.0, which came out 3 weeks ago. It's a modified version of Sliding Sync (called Simplified Sliding Sync), but it works just the same. So you can deprecate/shut down existing sliding sync proxies.

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#27
post #7

So how exactly do I get ESS running on my TrueNAS? Cant seem to find straight answer on their page.

Seems like ESS ist their managed solution, which uses Synapse but with an admin UI. Thats at least how I understand it, because to "get" ESS you need to fill out a contact form. https://try.element.io/get-started

Ah, so I can get this free opensource decentralized solution if I pay a company to host it for me on their centralized server, got it.

I mean i wouldnt have a problem paying one-time fee of around $100 if that would mean I can get that soft running locally for my groups, but I guess I am not the target potential customer group.

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#28
I think many of these features are fantastic and Matrix 2.0 is a great set of features. However I think Element X is still missing quite a number of features for (my personal) daily use (e.g. spaces, threads and roomlist). Also it's not available for Intel-based Macs, which makes it unusable for many of my team members :(

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#29

> Finally, cryptographic warnings are being eliminated. Historically, as end-to-end encryption was rolled out throughout Matrix, not all apps verified the identity of their users, triggering confusing and unactionable warnings to users. We are now shifting towards only letting devices whose ownership has been verified by their owner participate in conversations, killing those warnings - as well as other underlying pr…

as always, the result of more security without taking into account real-life human behaviour, only leads to less security overall as people will just use services that don't have this behaviour and always allow getting back your account

Re: We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready

#30

> Finally, cryptographic warnings are being eliminated. Historically, as end-to-end encryption was rolled out throughout Matrix, not all apps verified the identity of their users, triggering confusing and unactionable warnings to users. We are now shifting towards only letting devices whose ownership has been verified by their owner participate in conversations, killing those warnings - as well as other underlying pr…

In my experience, there was issues of lost/undecryptable messages also when you did backup/restore your keys.

That was the annoying issue, I could not trust it.

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