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Biggest ever seen black hole jets; blasting plasma well beyond their own galaxy

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If the plasma jet is wildly larger than our entire galaxy, I wonder if some sort of exotic life could evolve inside the jet. Some sort of life that would be totally rare in the universe.

Sometimes I wonder if our whole universe is some kind of transient aberration, if you zoom out far enough

if you zoom out far enough, there's no other option (imo)

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The jets are 23 million light years in length! That's 140 milky way galaxies laid out -- these are sizes I can't even begin to comprehend

Imagine the amount of energy required to create a jet that large! The scales are so big, it makes me wonder if there isn’t an upper limit to energy density. How much energy can be in one spot before you inadvertently create a Big Bang?

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The jets are 23 million light years in length! That's 140 milky way galaxies laid out -- these are sizes I can't even begin to comprehend

Imagine the amount of energy required to create a jet that large! The scales are so big, it makes me wonder if there isn’t an upper limit to energy density. How much energy can be in one spot before you inadvertently create a Big Bang?

> it makes me wonder if there isn’t an upper limit to energy density

Yes, in a sense. The point at which the energy bends space-time into a black hole.

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I have a question about black holes, HN. Let’s say you have a black hole. You fire a laser beam straight into it. Just by symmetry, shouldn’t it blueshift on the way in, gain some preposterous amount of energy — enough that it can escape?

> shouldn’t it blueshift on the way in, gain some preposterous amount of energy — enough that it can escape

You're devilishly close to the Penrose process by which "energy can be extracted from a rotating black hole" [1]. (You can also make them explode [2].)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_process

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_bomb

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This seems incompatible with inflation

Isn't universe inflation already on shaky ground though? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cosmic-inflation-...

Interesting read. Her proposal for a “bounce” cosmology sounds like it has a neat explanation for why things appear smooth, but as far as why/how the universe should bounce at all (especially given current consensus that the current universe will NOT bounce) are only briefly gestured at (“promising recent work”, to paraphrase).

Has that work developed and found traction among physicists in the 7 years since the article?

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Isn't universe inflation already on shaky ground though? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cosmic-inflation-...

Interesting read. Her proposal for a “bounce” cosmology sounds like it has a neat explanation for why things appear smooth, but as far as why/how the universe should bounce at all (especially given current consensus that the current universe will NOT bounce) are only briefly gestured at (“promising recent work”, to paraphrase). Has that work developed and found traction among physicists in the 7 years since the artic…

This was on the front page a couple weeks back iirc: https://www.livescience.com/physics-mathematics/dark-matter/...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting read. Her proposal for a “bounce” cosmology sounds like it has a neat explanation for why things appear smooth, but as far as why/how the universe should bounce at all (especially given current consensus that the current universe will NOT bounce) are only briefly gestured at (“promising recent work”, to paraphrase). Has that work developed and found traction among physicists in the 7 years since the artic…

This was on the front page a couple weeks back iirc: https://www.livescience.com/physics-mathematics/dark-matter/...

Interesting! It would be nice to solve dark matter & excise inflation in one stroke (or a few strokes). My lay understanding of PBHs—as-dark-matter is that it has been whittled down to a pretty tight range of their masses, though, bounded by “they would’ve already evaporated” and “we’d already have detected them”

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Not my field, but could the Big Bang have been a massive black hole that "spat" out jets of plasma that formed into new stars and galaxies? I call this the black hole big burp theory.

This is very close to an idea known as "Black hole cosmology" -- basically the idea being that the visible universe is inside a black hole, leading to a sort of "nested multiverse". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-hole_cosmology A related theory, rather than being inside a black hole, is that the other side of a black hole is a "white hole". As matter collapses into a black hole, it is emitted from the white hole…

I'm sure it's not practical, but I always thought it would be interesting if instead of living "inside" a black hole, the visible universe was simply being consumed by a black hole so large it just encompassed everything outside the visible part. So no nesting, the universe just eventually gets consumed entirely by one black hole.

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I’ve seen stellar engines [1] show up in fiction. Has anyone done a galactic engine? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_engine

John C. Wright in the Count to the Escaton sequence. But it's just part of the background of awesome while the real people story plays out in the foreground (as it should)
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