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Post by nbardy »

quesera wrote: post #103
kjksf wrote: post #62

Free business idea: clone Pivotal Tracker as a solo dev / small team. People often ask: how do I find business ideas? Well, here you go: many people publicly saying how they love a product that is going away. This is a validated product: people were paying for it. Apparently quite a lot of people. It doesn't get better than this. All you have to do is to clone the product. You can literally market it as a Pivotal Tra…

Ah, I do love the smell of fresh optimism in the morning! I think the biggest challenges are that a) the vast majority of solo devs capable of pulling this off quickly are well-employed, and b) the timeline for MVP++ is effectively January 1st, else the migrators will make different decisions. And that as soon as migrations happen, your storage costs will balloon, so you need a billing strategy on launch.

Dude billing never a problem. People wanting to pay you is the point of a business

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Post by dimal »

aantix wrote: post #47

The thing that I always liked about Pivotal is that it was visibly obvious that there was only one queue. It forced everyone to ruthlessly prioritize and make the hard decisions. In this moment, do you want me working on this bug, or this new feature? You have to decide - you get one or the other. It avoided the "Everything is a high priority" dilemma.

I was on one team that used it and it always felt overly simplistic. But I have to admit that we generally delivered what we committed to each sprint. It was pretty clear when we were overcommitting.

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Post by negativeonehalf »

Pouring one out for Pivotal Tracker. This was an outstanding ticket tracking and project management system, way ahead of its time.

Back when I did contract software engineering, Pivotal Tracker made managing client relationships a breeze by giving the client perfect visibility into the impact of feature requests, and allowing them to make the tradeoffs that made sense for their business.

"Want to add this new feature, and do it right away? No problem, but as you can see, if I drag it into this week, as a 4-point task, it pushes everything else back by two days, which means we'll have to cut something else or change the launch date."

Great UI, great vibes, and was just a delight to use. Even as PT dies, its legacy lives on. Thank you, PT team!

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Post by hinkley »

ilbeeper wrote: post #207
hinkley wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a first order approximation, Wikipedia serves everyone the same page. So the cost of pages in Wikipedia is proportional to the rate of edits, not the rate of page clicks and inbound links. Because once I hit Save, the page they display is pretty much the same one they'll show you when I send it to you to ask your opinion. If I show each user of a website a highly customized, user- and workflow-specific page for th…

What you write seems very interesting, but I'm afraid I'm not fully grasping it. There are few immediate counter examples I can give, and I wonder if I'm missing a point and those are not really counter examples. Is Gmail a highly customized website? What about Atlassian suite?

Gmail is one, not making money, and two is mostly showing text files that already exist.

Is gmail viable as a standalone company?

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Post by hinkley »

elwebmaster wrote: post #212
hinkley wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a first order approximation, Wikipedia serves everyone the same page. So the cost of pages in Wikipedia is proportional to the rate of edits, not the rate of page clicks and inbound links. Because once I hit Save, the page they display is pretty much the same one they'll show you when I send it to you to ask your opinion. If I show each user of a website a highly customized, user- and workflow-specific page for th…

Thanks for explaining and I am sure you have more experience with this type of scale but wouldn’t you say that ChatGPT is an example of “hand crafted artisanal page”, where not only every person sees a different answer but every interaction with the page results a different response. Of course they have a ton of VC money to burn but could it be that technology optimization (especially on the backend and hosting provi…

I suspect that ChatGPT is more expensive per page view than most and likely all of the dead projects I have worked on, yes. Some of my friends and colleagues would say the same, but I’m sure I can find someone who has worked on a larger pile of cash being used as firewood. Customers will become more price sensitive over time as the hype cycle runs its course. If they can’t aggressively cut costs without losing customers those lines will cross and they will go bankrupt.

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Post by ilbeeper »

hinkley wrote: post #224
ilbeeper wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you write seems very interesting, but I'm afraid I'm not fully grasping it. There are few immediate counter examples I can give, and I wonder if I'm missing a point and those are not really counter examples. Is Gmail a highly customized website? What about Atlassian suite?

Gmail is one, not making money, and two is mostly showing text files that already exist. Is gmail viable as a standalone company?

I don't know if Gmail could be standalone company, but it surely must be economically viable to run. Proton is a standalone company. Office 365 could probably be a company. But I'm not arguing against you, I'm trying to understand what you say because it seems to be interesting. Also, like you mentioned on a sibling comment, when the cost of showing a page is at current OpenAI level, the feasibility of making profit out of it is highly doubtable.

Does showing different snippets of existing texts for each user,and providing sorting and searching functionality is highly customized in a way that will usually be too costly on the backend to make viable money?

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Post by theamk »

shagie wrote: post #138
teeray wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also loved that it was adamant about having specific, defined states with no customization. The issue is todo, in progress, done, delivered, accepted… that’s it. Custom issue states are a special kind of hell in JIRA.

> Custom issue states are a special kind of hell in JIRA. The nth circle of hell looks like a Jira workflow. https://i.imgur.com/dQE9vWn.png and https://medium.com/@daitcheson/you-can-do-better-than-jira-1...

For the article:

> Whilst I wouldn’t recommend remote team members having to endure a subpar experience, for example during the daily Kanban meeting, is that really a good reason to degrade the experience for the rest of the team, losing out on all the benefits that gathering around a physical board can bring?

Are they seriously proposing _physical kanban board_ as a viable alternative to JIRA? This got to be a joke, right?

(Checks post date, it's 2019... Ah, that explains it)

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Post by shagie »

theamk wrote: post #228
shagie wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Custom issue states are a special kind of hell in JIRA. The nth circle of hell looks like a Jira workflow. https://i.imgur.com/dQE9vWn.png and https://medium.com/@daitcheson/you-can-do-better-than-jira-1...

For the article: > Whilst I wouldn’t recommend remote team members having to endure a subpar experience, for example during the daily Kanban meeting, is that really a good reason to degrade the experience for the rest of the team, losing out on all the benefits that gathering around a physical board can bring? Are they seriously proposing _physical kanban board_ as a viable alternative to JIRA? This got to be a joke,…

Worked with a manager who had a physical kanban board in a nearby vacant cube... and had a ip camera set up to it so that the business could go to the IP and see the board. When they had meetings, they'd have the business people on speaker phone and... honestly, we had trouble not laughing overhearing those meetings.
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