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FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by 8note »

lesuorac wrote: post #72
kibwen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that my data can be stolen in the first place is already outrageous, because I neither consented to allowing these companies to have my data, nor benefit from them having my data. It's like if you go to an AirBNB and the owner sneaks in at night and takes photos of you sleeping naked and keeps those photos in a folder on his bookshelf. Would you be okay with that? If you're not directly harmed, what liabilit…

I don't think thats a proper parallel. I think a better example would be You (AirBnB Host) rent a house to Person and Person loses the house key. Later on (perhaps many years later), You are robbed. Does Person have liability for the robbery? Of course it also gets really muddy because you'll have renting the house out for those years and during that time many people will have lost keys. So does liability get divided…

This version loses multiple parts of things that are important

1. I have no control over what was stored 2. I have no control over where the storage is

The liability in this case is the homeowner/host, as you should have and had full ability to change out the locks.

To make it more similar, I think you'd need one of the guests to have taken some amount of art off the wall, and brought it to a storage unit, and then the art later was stolen from the storage unit, and you don't have access to the storage unit.

It's not as good as the naked pictures example because what's been taken is copies of something sensitive, not the whole thing

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by immibis »

digging wrote: post #89
orthecreedence wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowden pointed and everyone looked at his finger. It was a huge shame, but a cultural sign that the US is descending into a surveillance hell hole and people are ok with that . As someone who was (and still is) vehemently against PRISM and NSLs and all that, it was hard to come to terms with. I'm going to keep building things that circumvent the "empire" and hope people start caring eventually.

> and people are ok with that I've seen no evidence of this. People mostly either don't understand it for feel powerless against it.

I've seen no evidence people aren't ok with that. Most people around me didn't care about the Snowden revelations. It was only tech people who tightened up security.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by DaleNeumann »

"According to one estimate, some Teens may see as many as 1,260 ads per day.200 Children and Teens may be lured through these ads into making purchases or handing over personal information and other data via dark patterns"

There is a long trail of blood behind google and facebook, amazon... Etc...

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by OkeyDokey2 »

srndsnd wrote: post #31

To me, what's missing from that set of recommendations is some method to increase the liability of companies who mishandle user data. It is insane to me that I can be notified via physical mail of months old data breaches, some of which contained my Social Security number, and that my only recourse is to set credit freezes from multiple credit bureaus.

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Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by dogman144 »

mgraczyk wrote: post #30

"these surveillance practices can endanger people’s privacy, threaten their freedoms, and expose them to a host of harms, from identify theft to stalking." Is there any evidence that any of these things have ever happened as a result of this sort of data collection? I'm not talking about data posted to social media, I'm talking about the specific data collection described in this FTC press release.

Not only is there evidence of harms, there are is a whole industry focused on fixing the problem for those wealthy enough or incentivized enough to care.

Do a bit of googling, but ADINT and RTB tracking will get you there for search terms.

Or, continue being confidently dismissive of something serious people are taking very seriously. I am sorry if this FTC report targeted the source of your RSUs or otherwise motivated set of incentives, but there’s no free lunch. The consequences are finally landing of your viewpoint, done collectively, over the last decade.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by TinyRick »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #124
TinyRick wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you resign? You could have reported it yourself and then you would have whistleblower protections - if the company retaliated against you (e.g. fired you), you then would have had a strong lawsuit.

Because I don't want to be associated with companies that break the law and violate regulations knowingly. I've long had a reputation of integrity, and it's one of the few things I have left having almost nothing else.

So you would rather be known as someone who had an opportunity to report a violation, and chose not to? From my perspective it seem like you decided against acting with integrity in this situation - the moral thing would have been to report the violation, but you chose to look the other way and resign.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by immibis »

bitwize wrote: post #11
ryanisnan wrote: post #5

I love the cognitive dissonance on display within the federal government. One arm: "everyone is a criminal; spy on everyone" Other arm: "hey you shouldn't really harvest all of that data"

And it's not just here. The EU: Unlike the barbarians across the pond, we actually protect people's privacy rights. Also the EU: ChAt CoNtRoL

The EU has multiple parts. One part keeps asking for chat control, and another part keeps saying no.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by immibis »

orthecreedence wrote: post #85
mgraczyk wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm arguing that it's not actually a gun, and my evidence is that there are 2 billion "guns" that have been pointed at 2 billion people's heads for years, and nobody has been hurt. It's more like a flashlight than a gun

> It's more like a flashlight than a gun I disagree, and again, implore you to use your imagination. If private messages ( not just yours but someone elses ) were to suddenly be public or institutional knowledge, what damning things might happen? What influence might some have over others? What dynamics could or would shift as a result? I'm comfortable making the claim that you aren't really thinking this through, at…

What was the fallout last time this happened? Was it like pulling the triggers of guns pointed at people's heads?

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Post by [deleted] »

DaleNeumann wrote: post #133

"According to one estimate, some Teens may see as many as 1,260 ads per day.200 Children and Teens may be lured through these ads into making purchases or handing over personal information and other data via dark patterns" There is a long trail of blood behind google and facebook, amazon... Etc...

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