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Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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We can replace Nylon with get this, poorer alternatives, if we gave a shit about the environment. I know it's unthinkable to switch to a worse product or user experience, but imagine caring more about the health of the planet.

This feels naive. For things like parachutes or airbags, I question whether you would actually have benefits from using something like cotton. In particular, they almost certainly do not perform at the same level. As such, you run the real risk of losing gains from other material to losses to maintenance.

Some people would just prefer that more people die from lack of effective parachutes or worse airbags if it means reducing the environmental devastation we wreak on the planet. Not sure if that is something you've considered.

Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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Taking a step back, my point was simply that there's a large number of common ailments that we don't understand. We don't know what causes them and we don't know how to cure them. Our understanding of human biology is grossly incomplete. We are nowhere close to first principles here. We also have a long history of introducing new compounds into the environment and then many decades later saying oops, turns out those…

No no no, you don't get to point at "common ailments" and assume you've explained anything. What common ailments do you think we don't understand, don't know the causes of, or can't cure?

Go to your doctor with eczema and ask what the problem is. They won't know, and sorry there is no cure. Hell go to your doctor with a migraine -- good luck. Have a food allergy? That should be simple to explain and fix, right... well actually we can't.

Maybe we can cure your asthma? Nope. We can't cure your diabetes either, sorry. Type 1? We don't know how you got that.

Better hope you never have any auto-immune disorder or mental illness. Doctors won't be able to explain it or cure it. And hopefully you never got long Covid. Cross your fingers on cancer, alzheimers, and parkinsons.

I could go on but I wonder, isn't our lack of understanding an obvious truth?

Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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> Meanwhile, the alternative medicine gurus have adopted microplastics as their excuse for nearly everything. Used to be, you could ignore the alt types because you had to buy their magazines to know what they were thinking. Now apparently everyone needs to be aware of what they are thinking and make sure they have the exact opposite opinions of the alt types so they seem sane or whatever. You can just ignore the the…

5 years ago I didn't routinely have to have conversations with family members about why they should get vaccinated against deadly diseases. Now I do. They are absolutely in the room with us, and they're getting people killed.

Destroying your critical thinking apparatus for the sake of a bunch of kooks is going a bit too far for me.

Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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5 years ago I didn't routinely have to have conversations with family members about why they should get vaccinated against deadly diseases. Now I do. They are absolutely in the room with us, and they're getting people killed.

Destroying your critical thinking apparatus for the sake of a bunch of kooks is going a bit too far for me.

My mum was a kook in this sense. Steve Jobs, too.

Critical thinking includes knowing that such people exist and aren't that rare.

Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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The term 'disingenuous' isn't about malice, it's about misleading comparisons. Equating the well-documented issue of micro/nanoplastics with hypothetical (and inaccurate) risks from glass muddies the water on a serious environmental problem. If you want to dispute the facts I presented about glass versus plastic safety, let's focus on that instead of tone policing.

Saying you don't know someone was being disingenuous isn't tone policing. It's nothing to do with tone.

Ok, disingenuous and/or stupid.

Re: Microplastics in the olfactory bulb of the human brain

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On one hand, I strongly agree that some mitigations are personally achievable and that this is smart to do. Personally, I preferentially buy natural fibers (cheaper than you might think if you thrift 'em), and I cold wash and hang dry the polyester garments I do own However, I am also wary of the push to view mitigations or "consumer behavior" generally as a means to actually deal with this kind of problem at scale.…

Under our brand of capitalism, the system pressures the working class doubly hard to use the cheapest things on the market, and guilts the middle class to aspire to more expensive goods which are Ethical, or Natural, or Lite, or Healthy, or Artisan, or whatever buzzword of the day prevails. Boycotts are a luxury that only the middle class can afford to participate in, and they don't really have the potential to parti…

Yea, we seem to agree that people can't actually push the needle on these kinds of issues in a meaningful way through their individual choices as consumers. That's a dead end, and it's one industries that fear getting regulated have settled on pushing at every opportunity, exactly because it's a dead end

Ultimately, the only thing powerful enough to take on a cartel is a government. A lot of people have negative feelings about the abstract concept of government, and certainly the government sucks sometimes. Nearly any way that an individual can come up against power has the potential to suck a lot

However, democratic governments for all their failings are far more responsive than consolidated industries to pressure from people who want change. Our "brand of capitalism" - by which I mean the particular economic and regulatory policies of the US government at this moment in time - is doing significant harm to the majority of people, in a way that it just wasn't in my parents' generation, and it doesn't have to stay this way. The options are not accept how things are or tilt at windmills by doing a master's thesis worth of research for every item we buy at the grocery store. The political will for better safety nets, better research and regulation, economic policy that helps the majority of people instead of a tiny sliver of the most deep-pocketed, and siccing the government on the cartels that increasingly dominate every industry is pervasive. The bet cartels are making is that they can create apathy and confusion to forestall this until they can burn down the institution of democracy itself

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