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Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by chipdart »

47282847 wrote: post #183
chipdart wrote: post #149

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> In my own opinion, a good step in the right direction would be if we could travel to European countries as easily as we used to be able to. I don't agree. Russia's regime threatens Europe with invasion and nuclear bombs almost on a daily basis, and vilify everyone who doesn't enthusiastically support their invasion of Ukraine. A few years ago Russia even had a nuclear bomber circling the coast of western Europe. Th…

Russians didn’t start a war. They are not the agressor. The ruling powers of Russia did. You are saying that it’s good to punish those already affected by their governments violence additionally. And with that unfortunate perspective, you will not win the population over, to the contrary. The anger is justified, but misdirected. Would every US American be happy to be identified as Trump and Project2025 supporter, in…

> Russians didn’t start a war.

That's industrial-grade gaslighting. A regime doesn't simply start an invasion. It's not even the first one in recent years, too. Russia's regime decided to invade Ukraine in 2014, and make it a full blown military invasion in 2022. You can't weasel-word your way around that.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by betaby »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #158
betaby wrote: post #106

Is Apple store working in Iran? For example, Apple store is working in Russia. I genuinely do not understand how logic works between 1.sanctions 2... 3.let's ban some IPs. What is the chain of reasoning happens on step 2? Why this is not applicable to Google/Apple? There are definitely sanctions against Russia, yet Apple/Play stores work just fine.

Not only is Apple store working in Russia. Apple, who supposedly has stopped selling hardware there, works closely with russian government to remove apps like VPNs from the store.

So how that works?

The same sanctions:

- CloudFlare - block IPs ( why? what part of sanctions says that )

- Apple / Google - do nothing

I genuinely want to know.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by 47282847 »

chipdart wrote: post #191
47282847 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russians didn’t start a war. They are not the agressor. The ruling powers of Russia did. You are saying that it’s good to punish those already affected by their governments violence additionally. And with that unfortunate perspective, you will not win the population over, to the contrary. The anger is justified, but misdirected. Would every US American be happy to be identified as Trump and Project2025 supporter, in…

> Russians didn’t start a war. That's industrial-grade gaslighting. A regime doesn't simply start an invasion. It's not even the first one in recent years, too. Russia's regime decided to invade Ukraine in 2014, and make it a full blown military invasion in 2022. You can't weasel-word your way around that.

How does that contradict what I said? You conflate Russian government and rulers (the „Russian regime“), and the population who happen to live or originate from there with no say in any of it („Russians“), all into one. That creates confusion and misunderstandings. You are making it appear as if it’s right and just to punish the population, and support their regime in isolating them from the world.

Also, you may want to look at the definition of „gaslighting“, where you create another confusion by applying it to this context.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by darby_nine »

rangestransform wrote: post #124
darby_nine wrote: post #74

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Yes, but "safety" or "peace" is not always desirable. MLK himself said it best: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/whe... A short snippet: > The next day after Autherine was dismissed the paper came out with this headline: 'Things are quiet in Tuscaloosa today. There is peace on the campus of the university of Alabama.' Yes things were quiet in Tuscaloosa. yes there was peace on the campus, but…

I do not want to find out that hegemonic stability theory is false, that would definitely make the rest of my lifespan worse, even if the odds are remote

Sure, this is the natural reaction of people living in the imperial core, but this isn't true for the majority of people in the world, especially as global warming accelerates.

World-systems theory is typically the alternative to the theory that pax americana (i.e. peace for me but not for thee) is universally desirable.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by mopsi »

47282847 wrote: post #193
chipdart wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russians didn’t start a war. That's industrial-grade gaslighting. A regime doesn't simply start an invasion. It's not even the first one in recent years, too. Russia's regime decided to invade Ukraine in 2014, and make it a full blown military invasion in 2022. You can't weasel-word your way around that.

How does that contradict what I said? You conflate Russian government and rulers (the „Russian regime“), and the population who happen to live or originate from there with no say in any of it („Russians“), all into one. That creates confusion and misunderstandings. You are making it appear as if it’s right and just to punish the population, and support their regime in isolating them from the world. Also, you may want…

I think he mistook your "Russia didn't start the war" as an attempt to blame Ukraine, whereas you were trying do distance population from the government. Nevertheless, that's wrong.

The population overwhelmingly supports the war: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/3.png

The support is surprisingly uniform across age groups and urban/rural divide: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/4.png

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by razakel »

anonzzzies wrote: post #123
menacingly wrote: post #80

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I'm surprised I don't see it more. You can't impose a regulatory burden more troublesome than your traffic is worth

But why do these companies care? The EU cannot impose this on US companies in the US, so why block? Just do nothing?

It absolutely can if those companies want to do business with EU citizens.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by grishka »

mopsi wrote: post #196
47282847 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that contradict what I said? You conflate Russian government and rulers (the „Russian regime“), and the population who happen to live or originate from there with no say in any of it („Russians“), all into one. That creates confusion and misunderstandings. You are making it appear as if it’s right and just to punish the population, and support their regime in isolating them from the world. Also, you may want…

I think he mistook your "Russia didn't start the war" as an attempt to blame Ukraine, whereas you were trying do distance population from the government. Nevertheless, that's wrong. The population overwhelmingly supports the war: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/3.png The support is surprisingly uniform across age groups and urban/rural divide: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/4.…

> The population overwhelmingly supports the war

Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever.

Being openly against the war is literally illegal.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by grishka »

chipdart wrote: post #189
grishka wrote: post #164

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> If they want to complain, they need to direct their complains to their own regime And get arrested and charged with "discrediting the armed forces", right. Must be nice to write all that from the comfort of your Western home.

> And get arrested and charged with "discrediting the armed forces", right. If you don't register that as a problem but somehow limiting your tourism options is a concern, that is already telling regarding what your priorities are.

I do register that as a problem but it's the same kind of problem as bad weather. Nothing can be done about it.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by 47282847 »

grishka wrote: post #198
mopsi wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he mistook your "Russia didn't start the war" as an attempt to blame Ukraine, whereas you were trying do distance population from the government. Nevertheless, that's wrong. The population overwhelmingly supports the war: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/3.png The support is surprisingly uniform across age groups and urban/rural divide: https://www.levada.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/4.…

> The population overwhelmingly supports the war Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. Being openly against the war is literally illegal.

Exactly. Even calling it one is.

And even if it was true, that opinion would simply be an indicator of the success of government propaganda. (Lies and myths and skewed narratives, not to be confused with gaslighting.)

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