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GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
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Back in the 2000s, VW released the Sirroco. I was graduating from uni, and it looked like the perfect car for me. I would have moved heaven and earth to own one. Alas, VW hemmed and hawed on homologation for North America and ultimately, it did not happen. I do wish we had EU-level options here.
? You mean the Scirocco that's been around since the 70's? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco
The US never got the 3rd gen models. There were plenty of 2nd gen models back in the day, but they're getting a bit old- I haven't seen one on the road for many years.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#203I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
> the [Tesla] charging experience couldn't be simpler, park and plug in, unplug and go. No tap, no app. Crazy how no one else could figure this out.
Agreed. I don't know why the vehicle and charger manufacturers didn't settle on a system that would let a user store credit card credentials or some other token in the car itself. When you pull up to a charger, plug in, and the charger and car do the handshake, and the car requests that a PIN be entered to release the credentials to the charger.
The charger could still support their own cumbersome apps or CC entry system (if you're trying to charge someone else's vehicle, in a rental scenario for example), but the default experience should be: pull up, plug in, enter PIN/Passkey, walk away.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
A quick search suggests there's around 145,000 gas stations. This article mentions Tesla has 17,800 supercharger stations. I didn't care enough to look up the station counts for the other EV charging companies. But that Tesla figure is around 12% of the gas station total, so let's say the total number of EV charging stations is somewhere between 15% and 20% of the gas station total. I could easily see EV charging sta…
Is that gas pumps or gas stations? If there are an average of 4 to 6 pumps per station, EV has a lot longer to go.
It’s not a great metric for comparison in any case. More than half of all drivers will only ever use C public chargers when on a road trip. And over time that fraction will approach ever closer to 100%.
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#205I'd seen some rumors that Tesla has been trying to slow down onboarding of other automakers to their charging network, so it's good to see information to the contrary. I still struggle to see how this ends up favorable for Tesla in the long run. They did not charge licensing fees for the connector, and even if they charge a premium to charge non-Tesla vehicles, now owners of Tesla vehicles are going to run into situa…
> I'd seen some rumors that Tesla has been trying to slow down onboarding of other automakers to their charging network It's more simple. The delays have been because Musk threw a tantrum and fired the whole supercharging team: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/inside... > I still struggle to see how this ends up favorable for Tesla in the long run Standardization gives Teslas more access to more…
Europe still hasn’t solved the need-another-app-for-every-charger problem.
Probably more effective than standardization is Europe’s love of pigovian taxes on gasoline.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#206I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
> the [Tesla] charging experience couldn't be simpler, park and plug in, unplug and go. No tap, no app. Crazy how no one else could figure this out. Agreed. I don't know why the vehicle and charger manufacturers didn't settle on a system that would let a user store credit card credentials or some other token in the car itself. When you pull up to a charger, plug in, and the charger and car do the handshake, and the c…
Fastned chargers do plug-and-charge using CCS. Works pretty well in my experience, I believe it's an open standard.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd seen some rumors that Tesla has been trying to slow down onboarding of other automakers to their charging network It's more simple. The delays have been because Musk threw a tantrum and fired the whole supercharging team: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/inside... > I still struggle to see how this ends up favorable for Tesla in the long run Standardization gives Teslas more access to more…
Europe still hasn’t solved the need-another-app-for-every-charger problem. Probably more effective than standardization is Europe’s love of pigovian taxes on gasoline.
Contactless payment is mandated going forward. There's an example of no app, no subscription payment in my previous comment. It's being implemented in the field now.
EU regulations: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f...
UK regulations: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-...
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We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…
It’s shocking. I’ve had a non-Tesla electric car for about 5 years and the public chargers have always been garbage. The new ones are garbage too. If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed. I had free charging for a while and even that was not enough of an incentive to use it.
I've had a non-Tesla for three years now. I've never had a single problem charging at a public DC fast charger. Every time I've managed to find an open and working stall. Every time it worked either with plug and charge or took credit cards on the dispenser. My car isn't 800v so it doesn't do the full 350kW but it has always been about the speeds my car can charge at.
I'm in North Texas and have mostly encountered chargers in Texas. I can't speak to charging elsewhere.
> If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed
Just to confirm, 1/4 of the quoted average charging speed of your car, 1/4 the quoted peak charging speed of your car, or 1/4 the max supported speed of the charger? Few cars can actually charge at the 350kW max charge rate available. And then on top of that those cars don't actually sustain that peak rate very long, and only when it's been preconditioned and already at a low state of charge. If you're rolling in at 50-60% SoC and especially if you didn't precondition you probably are looking at only being able to charge 100kW or so. That's not the fault of the charger.
Teslas don't charge at 250kW the entire time either. They too have charge curves and need preconditioning to hit max charge rates.
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#209I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…
Uh, you can do the same with your EV? Nothing stopping you from unplugging and driving away if you want.
At a gas station you can just drive away. In an EV, you can't without getting out where the criminal is.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#210I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…
I live in a fairly high crime area, but I can't imagine this being true in any way. What sort of crime are you thinking? Standard mugging? So many easier targets in other areas, plus the cars record everything, and there are usually lots of others charging. The worst experience I have had while charging late at night in a remote area was being accosted by an over-enthusiastic Tesla fan who just wanted to talk talk ta…
I said as soon as criminals figure it out. They don't know people sitting alone in the back of parking lots can't even drive away without getting out first.
It also took them a few years to figure out they could steal the cables. At first they probably thought they were live.