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At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

Which part of the Geneva Convention specifically?

Not the Geneva Convention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-gu...

> a global treaty came into force which “prohibited in all circumstances to use booby-traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects that are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material”. Has anyone told Israel and its jubilant supporters that, as Brian Finucane of the International Crisis Group points out, it is a signatory to the protocol?

Specifically it's probably this one: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

But oh well, it's fine if it's Israel doing it, and any protest against it is anti-semitic and supporting Hamas and the killing of more Jews! /S

"'War crimes' are defined by the winners": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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What I'm noticing is that this attack, or series of attacks seems to upset people in a way they struggle to verbalize. They try to reach and call it terrorism or war crime but it seems to be neither.

Maybe the real explanation is that this kind of weapon is simply too powerful and terrifying and that's why people want it to be taboo? We become more and more dependent on technology everyday, we are slowly trusting our lives to self driving cars even starting to put electrodes into our brains. The thought of someone tampering with that, it's too scary.

I think that might be what is going on.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of the Geneva Convention specifically?

Not the Geneva Convention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-gu... > a global treaty came into force which “prohibited in all circumstances to use booby-traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects that are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material”. Has anyone told Israel and its jubilant supporters that, as Brian Finucane of the Interna…

I’ve always thought that it’s bananas that war has rules

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel…

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

Hamas is responsible for the 16k people killed, they:

* Use their people as human shields.

* Spent billions of dollars on aid to build "attack tunnels" and buy weapons rather than spend it on education, health care, diplomacy and a real defense force.

* Broke the cease fire on October 7 by going on an ecstatic, orgy of violence against innocent people at a peace and love festival.

* Failed to return the hostages and murdered many of them.

* Failed to negotiate a peace deal for their people and bravely handing themselves in.

* Started a war without considering or caring about the consequences for their people.

* Brainwashed their own people to hate Jews and take up arms to it's impossible to distinguish soldiers and civilians.

* They've even brainwashed children to become "martyrs"

* Launched rockets into civilian areas in Israel every day.

* Setup headquarters in hospitals and schools...

The list goes on, but Hamas started this latest round of violence, they are responsible. I repeat again, there was a ceasefire on October 7. People calling for a ceasefire in Gaza have to understand this, and they have to understand these fanatics would just regroup and attack again.

Look at how Russia and Ukraine keep their military assets away from civilian populations, then look at what Hamas does, there is zero moral equivalence here. Putin is a total psycho monster, but even he doesn't build arms making facilities in residential areas.

Jihadists use our morals against us, they're extremely good at manipulation, they're ok with a hospital being bombed so long as it gets an emotional response and incites hatred against Jews. Which is working, clearly.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

Hamas is responsible for the 16k people killed, they: * Use their people as human shields. * Spent billions of dollars on aid to build "attack tunnels" and buy weapons rather than spend it on education, health care, diplomacy and a real defense force. * Broke the cease fire on October 7 by going on an ecstatic, orgy of violence against innocent people at a peace and love festival. * Failed to return the hostages and…

Irgun/Herut/Likud is just as guilty of all of these “charges”… I think you just lack the ability to rest the blame on Israel. They could have dropped cash over Gaza as reparations for the prior 75 years of genocide.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #22

What I'm noticing is that this attack, or series of attacks seems to upset people in a way they struggle to verbalize. They try to reach and call it terrorism or war crime but it seems to be neither. Maybe the real explanation is that this kind of weapon is simply too powerful and terrifying and that's why people want it to be taboo? We become more and more dependent on technology everyday, we are slowly trusting our…

I can see where the anger comes from.

It is the "distributedness". People like to split the world into clean zones: here is war, after this border, no more war. After all, the risk gradient jumps extremely when you cross the border from Poland into Ukraine.

An attack like this a) reveals that some people aren't what they perhaps pretended to be, e.g. civilians, b) shows that war can reach with very long fingers into places that considered themselves relatively safe.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

Hamas is responsible for the 16k people killed, they: * Use their people as human shields. * Spent billions of dollars on aid to build "attack tunnels" and buy weapons rather than spend it on education, health care, diplomacy and a real defense force. * Broke the cease fire on October 7 by going on an ecstatic, orgy of violence against innocent people at a peace and love festival. * Failed to return the hostages and…

What’s your opinion on the Hannibal Doctrine?

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #25

It's weird how these headlines are written in the passive voice and as to blame Hezbollah. "At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon as Israel declares ‘new phase of war’ against Hezbollah" How about Israel detonates 3000 explosives in Lebanon.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for terrorists who's lives are spent working out how to murder and blow people up, then when they get blown up with minimal collateral damage caused, what?

Honestly, I'm surprised at how great these people are at invoking emotional responses in their favor. It's incredible. They're certainly smashing the information war.

When the 11 kids got actually blown up by a missile strike while attending a soccer game in Israel, where was all the sympathy then? Do people even know about this?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in...

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

#30
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel…

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

A lot more people died in the rubble of German cities during WWII and, except some German nationalists, no one gives a f_ck. Heck, the German far left sometimes taunts the right-wingers by screaming "Bomber Harris, do it again!"

The reason is that they were our enemies.

Edit: Can any of you downvoters explain to me how this isn't a case of blatant double standards?

If someone hates the Nazis so much that civilians in Nazi-controlled cities are fair game, someone else is going to hate Hamas in the very same way.

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