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It's the Supreme Court , not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.
It's still illegal.
No, it's not.
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#72The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on. For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.…
> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It That's the point, they don't. There's nothing in the law for him to back his decisions. But we just hope for our senate to take action.
We hope he continue, Moraes has at least 50% of support :)
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It's the Supreme Court , not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.
It's still illegal.
It is ilegal to be a criminal and those senators you are talking about? They will go to jail :) together with Bolsonaro. Fighting the legal system is the last strategy of convicted criminals
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#74The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on. For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.…
> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. Actually, millions of people are, and senators are seeking this judge's impeachment.
The Western media is not mentioning that.
Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block
#75The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on. For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.…
It's the Supreme Court , not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.
It makes no difference. If the people posting those tweets are Brazilian denizens why not sanction them under Brazilian laws?
Shutting down Twitter to stop them implies the Brazilian judiciary doesn't have the ability to sanction them under Brazilian law.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It That's the point, they don't. There's nothing in the law for him to back his decisions. But we just hope for our senate to take action.
We hope he continue, Moraes has at least 50% of support :)
Yeah, he has the support of the same people that used to hate the judges when Brazilian justice system persecuted Lula when went into jail ilegally.
In the end of the day, people just care if their political agenda is being met, it doesn't matter if it throws the country into a dictatorship.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the Supreme Court , not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.
It makes no difference. If the people posting those tweets are Brazilian denizens why not sanction them under Brazilian laws? Shutting down Twitter to stop them implies the Brazilian judiciary doesn't have the ability to sanction them under Brazilian law.
AFAIK, Twitter/X was shut down in Brazil for refusing to declare a legal representative in the country which is a basic requirement for any company operating in Brazil.
On a side note, the contents an international corporation publishes can violate the law of a country even when they are not posted by citizens of that country. When they do so, and don't take down the content, they will be shut down. It works like that in every country, including the US. It pains me having to point that out since it's so obvious.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes no difference. If the people posting those tweets are Brazilian denizens why not sanction them under Brazilian laws? Shutting down Twitter to stop them implies the Brazilian judiciary doesn't have the ability to sanction them under Brazilian law.
AFAIK, Twitter/X was shut down in Brazil for refusing to declare a legal representative in the country which is a basic requirement for any company operating in Brazil. On a side note, the contents an international corporation publishes can violate the law of a country even when they are not posted by citizens of that country. When they do so, and don't take down the content, they will be shut down. It works like tha…
And have they been shut down? Blocking access to a service through the regular channels doesn't shut it down.
For instance before the internet a Saudi dissident based in the UK used to send faxes to phones in Saudi Arabia that were critical of the Govt. I don't think the Saudi govt blocked access to phone calls from the UK on account of that.
If Brazilian enterprises are not allowed by law to trade with Twitter that does not amount to shutting it down. All you've done is block the usage of a service by most law abiding citizens which many of them probably rely on for all or a part of their living.
Twitter is operating under US law and Brazilian law only applies to their Brazilian subsidiary. If their Brazilian subsidiary has been has closed down because their parent company is not complying with Brazilian law then Brazilians are free to deal directly with the parent company under US law and jurisdiction.
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Hosting Kiwi Farms wasn't likely to get Cloudflares ASN null-routed by the 7th most populous state on Earth though. There's the potential for serious collateral damage to Cloudflares business here if Brazil calls their bluff.
Null-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though. Considering the initial order of the Brazilian judiciary regarding VPN, this is almost certainly what Twitter hopes to achieve here.
> Null-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though.
I wish... That sort of massive economic damage is exactly what this country deserves. It's gotten to the point I'm hoping Trump wins and sanctions this place for stealing millions from american companies via arbitrary fines.
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Free speech is not a law set in stone, in the US you can be a Nazi without any legal repercussions, here in Brazil you cannot. I'd like to keep it that way.
Wow, I wonder what your political bent is.
It's funny how nazis here in Brazil go straight to jail, while communists and socialists are allowed to walk this soil completely unpunished. Hell, they get to openly form parties. They don't even need to employ any subterfuge to do it, we have so many parties with "socialist" and "communist" literally in their names. They even get to be elected. Our current president is a socialist, and he put a communist judge in the supreme court.
This is despite the fact that socialism and communism are demonstrably worse than nazism in literally every way. If we were to be ruled by literal nazis, there's actually a chance we might prosper and become a real country. Socialists? I don't think so.
So why is it that you call for censorship of nazism? Only to immediately afterwards defend this socialist communist judiciary dictatorship nonsense? What a sick joke.
This isn't even about "nazis" to begin with. These judges are after Bolsonaro and his supporters for the political speech they engaged in. Blatant political censorship. Which is unconstitutional.