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At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

Afaik the Geneva Convention doesn't apply at all towards Terrorists, because they target primarily Civilians.

You will start getting people ask questions like "What exactly constitutes a terrorist?" and "Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?"...

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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post #2

How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel…

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

Neither are pagers, strange to tie understanding to what you personally have at home

People associate behavior and objects with things they are familiar with. This gives them some kind of grounding in context so they can more easily dissociate with potential threats.

There is a good example of this in batman, which outlines the situation well.

The joker says:

Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!

We expect that soldiers and gang bangers have risks associated with that behavior, but mayors should not.

Same with this the GP wants to believe that the pager is in a different class of 'risk' than the walkie talkie at home, and now walkie talkies are used in an attack, they are adjusting their world view.

Edit: Spelling and punctuation. I could just be talking out of my ass too.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel…

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Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

Apparently they were modified in the supply chain, so they might only send "prepared" Walkie Talkies to Hezbollah

The rethorical Amazon of Lebanon doesn't comingle inventory?

I am paranoid about new hardware as it is. Especially those with radio tranceivers.

And that was before we knew Shin Bet have been massproducing consumer gadgets that blow up in your face.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

Does it not entirely depend on the delivery mechanism? If I receive an order from the US military for Radios and I put bombs in them, what would be the risk of hitting civilians when detonating them? Wouldn't that be OK because the probability of a military Radio being given to someone non-military is negligible? If you undermine the Hezbollah supply chain and specifically deliver to them, isn't that pretty targeted?

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

Does it not entirely depend on the delivery mechanism? If I receive an order from the US military for Radios and I put bombs in them, what would be the risk of hitting civilians when detonating them? Wouldn't that be OK because the probability of a military Radio being given to someone non-military is negligible? If you undermine the Hezbollah supply chain and specifically deliver to them, isn't that pretty targeted?

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Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel…

Unlike rockets and other military weapons, electronic household gadgets that unexpectedly explode in your face nationwide is absolutely a thing that induces terror and fear. As a civilian, I can feel reasonably safe in my home but this supply chain attack upends everything. Contrary to what most consumers believe, there are layers upon layers of resellers and licensed subcontractors of manufacturers. Platforms such as Amazon comingle their inventory.

So what will detonate next? My RTL-SDR stick at home that I unluckily happened to purchase from a comingled manipulated Amazon batch?

This is nothing short of scandalous, and I wonder how Mossad agents can even sleep at night.

Re: At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik the Geneva Convention doesn't apply at all towards Terrorists, because they target primarily Civilians.

You will start getting people ask questions like "What exactly constitutes a terrorist?" and "Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?"...

>Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?

He was until he won comprehensively enough.

From Abraham to George Washington to Ho Chi Minh to Hibatullah Akhundzada it's all just re-runs of the same plot but with different characters.

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