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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by corimaith »

reaperman wrote: post #143
epistasis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers Oh they won't have any trouble. They may lose international market share but the US government will keep raising tariffs ad infinitum to protect the US automakers no matter how far behind they get, or how expensive the vehicles get. We already are giving them 100% tariffs against BYD/etc. You migh…

Everybody (including outside the West) is raising tariffs against Chinese steel.

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Post by mavhc »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #154
jahewson wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s shocking. I’ve had a non-Tesla electric car for about 5 years and the public chargers have always been garbage. The new ones are garbage too. If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed. I had free charging for a while and even that was not enough of an incentive to use it.

Same experience in the UK. Just within London you have a dozen charging networks, they all have their own shitty apps, they require you to add your credit card and create an account and half the time they simply don't work and just give you some garbage error message like "charging failed". Don't even get me started on Oxford. We arrive to a charging station and it turns out it is exclusively for electric taxis. No m…

90% of the ones I use have a card reader, and not found one that doesn't work in the past 2 years, of course I'll check on zapmap comments first

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Post by xattt »

Aromasin wrote: post #161
jessriedel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

Back in the 2000s, VW released the Sirroco. I was graduating from uni, and it looked like the perfect car for me. I would have moved heaven and earth to own one. Alas, VW hemmed and hawed on homologation for North America and ultimately, it did not happen.

I do wish we had EU-level options here.

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Post by ForHackernews »

hackernewds wrote: post #106
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

Crazy how Tesla vastly outperformed the govt investing billions into making 8 chargers

This access deal is the result of government policy.

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Post by euroderf »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

> The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying.

This also describes a lot of modern American life. I am constantly impressed by people saying how reliable the Tesla charger network is. This level of quality should be held up as an example at every opportunity. My 0.02€

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Post by zelos »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #154
jahewson wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s shocking. I’ve had a non-Tesla electric car for about 5 years and the public chargers have always been garbage. The new ones are garbage too. If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed. I had free charging for a while and even that was not enough of an incentive to use it.

Same experience in the UK. Just within London you have a dozen charging networks, they all have their own shitty apps, they require you to add your credit card and create an account and half the time they simply don't work and just give you some garbage error message like "charging failed". Don't even get me started on Oxford. We arrive to a charging station and it turns out it is exclusively for electric taxis. No m…

Most UK chargers are on Electroverse now I think?

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Post by yosefk »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #150
jessriedel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.

are you sure they are subsidizing them and not simply producing them more cheaply?

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by infecto »

tw04 wrote: post #101
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

>The chargers are few and far between Where are you that the CCS chargers are few and far between? While I agree it's annoying to have to potentially use multiple apps if you aren't in a car that has a consolidation play (like fordpass), there are far more CCS chargers in the states I've visited than Tesla counterparts. With gas station chains like Pilot, 7-eleven, Wawa, Circle-K, and others building out their own ne…

Non-Tesla charging locations can be hit or miss. As others have mentioned, many spots only have 2-4 stations, with at least one often out of order and others occupied by cars that have been sitting there for a while. If you manage to find a working charger, actually paying for it can be a hassle. I’ve had situations where I skipped the wait at Tesla chargers and tried another network, maybe EA. Despite having the app and using it before, it wouldn’t work. My credit card didn’t go through either, so I used my bank card, which worked for half the charge, but then stopped working for the rest.

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

Aromasin wrote: post #161
jessriedel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

We haven't been the land of the free in a while, but we repeat it enough and then keep electing the uniparty in to keep it moving.

Itjumped significantly when the Federal Reserve was founded, backed by a national and originally-unconstitutional unapportioned direct income tax to feed it money. DC suddenly had a way to tax anyone and everyone without repercussions. Then FDR played with fascism and instituted many new agencies interested in managing the economy.

The welfare state LBJ started began the individual competing with free government money, and we've had nothing but an explosion of regulations tied to taxes or grants thanks to these categories and the hope of managing an economy to utopia.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by iamacyborg »

yosefk wrote: post #177
throwawaymaths wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.

are you sure they are subsidizing them and not simply producing them more cheaply?

China are subsidising the entire supply chain.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...

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