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US health system ranks last compared with peer nations – report

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Re: US health system ranks last compared with peer nations – report

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It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

The report compares countries, not states. What point are you trying to make by comparing US states with EU countries (and Canada, and Australia, and New Zealand)?

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post #3

It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

Why? Europe is a collection of sovereign nations, not a federation of states like the US?

Aha! But Germany is also a federation. So it's only fair to compare Alabama to Saarland. Oh, wait...

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post #3

It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

Unfair to the EU or the US? Because this plays to the US favor.

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post #3

It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

Ugh. This. Not just for healthcare though, for everything. Using small wealthy countries with populations smaller than our states as a comparison against our continent sized country is really not helping or proving anything.

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post #3

It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

As an American, I'm probably heavily influenced about non-state-by-state discussion in the media and thus ignorant... (and work in tech and don't directly pay for health insurance...) but I don't think I'm aware of significant state-by-state differences in healthcare.

I know California generally has more regulations and has MediCal, but most insurance options I've encountered seem to be multi-state (regional, not necessarily country-wide though). Things like FSA/HSA are nearly the same across all States I think?

I'd assume quality of care varies more by region (likely with some correlation between quality and the to major options health insurance providers) than by state lines.

That all said, I'd be curious to see all 50 states in a healthcare quality ranking combined with the various "peer" (or EU) countries like you propose. I'd probably be surprised by the spread.

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Lately I can’t even get a doctor - both the specialist and primary care doctors are booked months in advance. And I have one of the best insurance coverages currently available. Remember how we laughed at Canadians and Brits waiting for months to see their free/cheap doctors? Well we’re at a point where we have to wait _and_ pay through the nose. And then they can’t really do anything or fuck you up even worse.

Same here - and I'm always left wondering what manner of trivial/cosmetic cases are taking up these bookings and leaving more urgent medical cases to wait.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a billionaire or close to it, the US healthcare system is fantastic, unless of course you're traveling in one of the "medical deserts" and have an acute emergency.

If you’re a billionaire EVERYTHING is fantastic.

Not necessarily: if you're famous, you might have a hard time going out in public.

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post #16
post #3

It's unfair to judge the EU piecewise but then judge the US as a whole. Either let us compare apples to apples by judging the whole EU against the US or let us judge individual European member states against individual US states.

As an American, I'm probably heavily influenced about non-state-by-state discussion in the media and thus ignorant... (and work in tech and don't directly pay for health insurance...) but I don't think I'm aware of significant state-by-state differences in healthcare. I know California generally has more regulations and has MediCal, but most insurance options I've encountered seem to be multi-state (regional, not nec…

The organizations that take doctors' licenses away when they misbehave are all state-level organizations (in California, it is called the Board of Medical Quality Assurance) and I can easily imagine that some states perform this function much better than other states.

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Because we are paying for the rest of the world. Allow prescription drug imports from abroad. Pharma companies will be forced to charge more in the rest of the world and less in US. Allow insurance plans based on medical tourism for expensive procedures. Some countries will say no, but a lot of countries will say yes for profit. Once you have a choice of a hip replacement in Mexico or India, hospitals in these countries will compete for safety, cost, pleasant aftercare. Let's stop being the suckers.
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