Here's ChargePoint's interoperability lab.[1] They're not sure how the connectors and interfaces will end up, so their charging system is modular and field-upgradable.
They bring in various cars and check out the charging process.
GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#142I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…
> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related.
Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threatened by Chinese companies.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#143I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…
> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers
Oh they won't have any trouble. They may lose international market share but the US government will keep raising tariffs ad infinitum to protect the US automakers no matter how far behind they get, or how expensive the vehicles get. We already are giving them 100% tariffs against BYD/etc. You might think that's absurd but the steel industry has received tariffs up to 266% against Chinese steel, so there's a lot of headroom left to continue to price out international competition.
There's really no pressure for the US automakers to do better or innovate or actually compete.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
A quick search suggests there's around 145,000 gas stations. This article mentions Tesla has 17,800 supercharger stations. I didn't care enough to look up the station counts for the other EV charging companies. But that Tesla figure is around 12% of the gas station total, so let's say the total number of EV charging stations is somewhere between 15% and 20% of the gas station total. I could easily see EV charging sta…
> 17,800 supercharger stations. Did they mean 17,800 supercharger units or 17,800 locations with super charger units. Because I've seen those numbers interchanged before. The problem with chargers (and I say this as an EV owner) is that many people mostly charge at home, so they aren't using them even weekly. However, everyone goes for a road trip say around memorial day, and the EV chargers are PACKED. It is just a…
> can be installed in more locations than gas station pumps (like super market parking lots).
I get a lot of gas in supermarket parking lots, several supermarket chains put gas stations in the parking lot of some stores.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#145I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…
EVs are often festooned with cameras which is a disincentive to opportunistic crime. At fast charging stations there's usually other people sitting in their cars which is another disincentive.
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#146I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
I have a Mustang mache specifically because of the Tesla supercharger authorization and compatibility It’s still bleak-ish, but is right on the cusp of getting better Tesla’s schizophrenic behavior makes the promised adapter to have an unknown delivery date The bootleg adapter works decently, tricky at first though I had to learn there are multiple versions of tesla superchargers, and even of the V3 ones they are not…
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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#147I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…
> Crazy how no one else could figure this out.
Tesla obviously didn't figure out how to do it with third parties either. It's about cooperation and politics, not so much about the technical implementation.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…
What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?
Except sometimes campers.
There are still people doing world trips. We might collectively decide they need to keep using diesel forever or stop doing world trips with vehicles altogether but that is still currently a thing, even though it is very very marginal.
Also, the USA has borders with 2 countries with I imagine people crossing the border daily on both side to simply go to work. It seems weird to me that these 3 countries would not talk to each others about standards.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 17,800 supercharger stations. Did they mean 17,800 supercharger units or 17,800 locations with super charger units. Because I've seen those numbers interchanged before. The problem with chargers (and I say this as an EV owner) is that many people mostly charge at home, so they aren't using them even weekly. However, everyone goes for a road trip say around memorial day, and the EV chargers are PACKED. It is just a…
> can be installed in more locations than gas station pumps (like super market parking lots). I get a lot of gas in supermarket parking lots, several supermarket chains put gas stations in the parking lot of some stores.
You need a lot of things for a gas station, a giant tank under ground, a run off collection system for the spilled gas/oil, they have to be covered these days, I’m sure most of this is just environmental regulations. You only see them in the grocery store parking lot if they have all of that, it’s not just a few pumps put up at existing parking spaces (well, maybe in Thailand).
Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…
> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…
Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.