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This is the X model. Nobody moderates Musk!
I have friends that till get censored on X, it is free speech for some but not for others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twister_(software)
If a thing is totally unmoderated it becomes a vector for spam; if it is centralized in any respect it becomes a vector for lawsuits/legal warfare/deplatforming (internet services, banking, even postal services!). If you somehow manage to pass through those gates, it becomes a vector for state-sponsored cognitive-warfare/psy-op campaigns.
I'm having trouble even understanding the question, because I think your usage of "free speech" means something different than is normally intended. Free expression and free will always have an implied caveat, like "free will except where it impedes that of another". Free speech is always going to have a Venn diagram with "behavior", some of which is illegal. So if you're asking where you can go do illegal stuff, tha…
The problem is that what is legal should not be decided by social media platforms or their users but by the law & the courts. But most often this is not the case.. maybe the OP is addressing this issue.
Private platforms and citizens can do what they want.
I am sure a forum where any and all speech is tolerated quickly turns to 4chan but with all kinds of extreme porn. I am sure those places exist on ToR. I do not know why you would want to go there.
Ironically, a lot of the forums which value free speech will kick you out for even sounding like you have the wrong opinions.
I'm having trouble even understanding the question, because I think your usage of "free speech" means something different than is normally intended. Free expression and free will always have an implied caveat, like "free will except where it impedes that of another". Free speech is always going to have a Venn diagram with "behavior", some of which is illegal. So if you're asking where you can go do illegal stuff, tha…
The simplest answer is that content moderation is an unsolved problem and certain topics are expensive to moderate. Freedom of speech matters but so does the culture of conduct. Further, as a site owner you risk your reputation by the activity you permit, and taboo subjects can attract folks you don't want on your site. Hence why they end up in the cesspool.
I'm having trouble even understanding the question, because I think your usage of "free speech" means something different than is normally intended. Free expression and free will always have an implied caveat, like "free will except where it impedes that of another". Free speech is always going to have a Venn diagram with "behavior", some of which is illegal. So if you're asking where you can go do illegal stuff, tha…
It's pretty clear what he means by free speech here. In the grey area between legal and illegal are the topics we consider taboo. Many platforms simply censor these subjects, OP wants to understand why. The simplest answer is that content moderation is an unsolved problem and certain topics are expensive to moderate. Freedom of speech matters but so does the culture of conduct. Further, as a site owner you risk your…
HN is friendly to freedom of speech because the site probably doesn't attract people that are easy to act out when offended or those that like to report people whose content they do not like. Or because of the occasional comment that refocuses a discussion again.
I would even argue that some more strongly moderated sites can often even be larger cesspools. You can go to Instagram and say something negative about the next random pop start or influencer and people are going to get extremely vicious. Far more so than a message board with only anonymous users.
Also the amount of taboos seem to correlate with hostility for some reason.
"Real subjects are not getting through." Getting though how? Just because you have free speech doesn't mean others must listen to you, or that you even need to use specific platforms.
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It's pretty clear what he means by free speech here. In the grey area between legal and illegal are the topics we consider taboo. Many platforms simply censor these subjects, OP wants to understand why. The simplest answer is that content moderation is an unsolved problem and certain topics are expensive to moderate. Freedom of speech matters but so does the culture of conduct. Further, as a site owner you risk your…
Not all sites end up like that. HN is friendly to freedom of speech because the site probably doesn't attract people that are easy to act out when offended or those that like to report people whose content they do not like. Or because of the occasional comment that refocuses a discussion again. I would even argue that some more strongly moderated sites can often even be larger cesspools. You can go to Instagram and s…
In other words, we're dealing with over-sensitive people on the internet? Children, because those are the only ones that cannot accept the truth. And, since everyone is so easily offended, they have to be protected by content editing?
No one in their right minds would spend a dime for an easily offended person. If this done, there are things at play here.
> Also the amount of taboos seem to correlate with hostility for some reason.
I noticed that too.
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The problem is that what is legal should not be decided by social media platforms or their users but by the law & the courts. But most often this is not the case.. maybe the OP is addressing this issue.
This is basically X's position – they will enforce countries speech laws, no more, no less. But OP says: > Other places such as x/twitter, has some liberty but not very much. Real subjects are not getting through. So I'm not sure if they're saying that isn't what X is doing, or that they're criticising X for not going beyond the law (illegally), or that perhaps they feel that some legal speech is not treated equally?
I'm saying that posts get removed if they contain certain subjects. Nothing offensive is in them but only facts.