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Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by slt2021 »

crabbone wrote: post #12
web3aj wrote: post #2

The internal tools at Meta are incredible tbh. There’s an ecosystem of well-designed internal tools that talk to each other. That was my favorite part of working there.

A friend of mine is doing his PHD while being an intern at Meta. He does not share your excitement... at all. To summarize his complaints: a framework written a long while ago with design flaws that were cast in stone, that requires exorbitant effort to accomplish simple things (under the pretense of global integration that usually isn't needed, but even if was needed, would still not work).

how else can you build empire as Engineering Manager and get promo?

fork open source, then demand resources to maintian this monster.

easiest promotion + job security.

its even called "Platform Engineering" these days

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by Qshdg »

web3aj wrote: post #2

The internal tools at Meta are incredible tbh. There’s an ecosystem of well-designed internal tools that talk to each other. That was my favorite part of working there.

Looking at some of the bureaucracy in their open source projects, I'd say that they need less tooling and more thinking. These tools help to keep spaghetti code bases from imploding totally.

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by lamename »

Fraterkes wrote: post #26

A bit off-topic, but my problem with any notebook type of tool (ie you create a document that mixes code, the output of that code, and text/media) is that they always feel like they're meant to be these quick, off the cuff ways to present data. But when I try to use them they just feel awkward and slow. (I tried doing a jupyter notebook with the vscode plugin, and while everything was very polished, it feld like I wa…

IME notebooks in VS Code are even worse (but improving). Jupyter lab is faster...but that depends on how fast you prefer ;)

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by ipsum2 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #23
web3aj wrote: post #2

The internal tools at Meta are incredible tbh. There’s an ecosystem of well-designed internal tools that talk to each other. That was my favorite part of working there.

One of the crazier things a L4 meta colleague of mine told me, that I still don’t believe entirely, is that meta pretty much has their own fork of everything , even tools like git. is this true?

Yep. Zeus is a fork of Zookeeper, Hack is a fork of PHP, etc. It's usually needed to make it work with the internal environment.

The few things that don't have forks are usually the open source projects like React or PyTorch, but even those have some custom features added to make it work with FB internals.

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by wenc »

Fraterkes wrote: post #26

A bit off-topic, but my problem with any notebook type of tool (ie you create a document that mixes code, the output of that code, and text/media) is that they always feel like they're meant to be these quick, off the cuff ways to present data. But when I try to use them they just feel awkward and slow. (I tried doing a jupyter notebook with the vscode plugin, and while everything was very polished, it feld like I wa…

Sounds like you’ve diagnosed your issue in the last line.

Notebooks are usually not inherently slow — I use Jupyter in VS Code running off a remote server and it’s snappy.

I have a MacBook Pro 2020.

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by ipsum2 »

fauria wrote: post #3

Can this be downloaded somewhere? Couldn't find any link in the open source site: https://opensource.fb.com/ nor the ELI5: https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2021/09/20/eli5-be...

Probably not. It's written in Hack, and heavily tied to internal frameworks, so it'll be practically impossible to extract into a standalone package, unless they do a "clean room" implementation (like they did for Sapling UI https://sapling-scm.com/docs/addons/isl/).

But it has some cool features that notebook developers can take inspiration from.

Re: Bento: Jupyter Notebooks at Meta

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Post by wenc »

lamename wrote: post #35
Fraterkes wrote: post #26

A bit off-topic, but my problem with any notebook type of tool (ie you create a document that mixes code, the output of that code, and text/media) is that they always feel like they're meant to be these quick, off the cuff ways to present data. But when I try to use them they just feel awkward and slow. (I tried doing a jupyter notebook with the vscode plugin, and while everything was very polished, it feld like I wa…

IME notebooks in VS Code are even worse (but improving). Jupyter lab is faster...but that depends on how fast you prefer ;)

I have the exact opposite experience — VS Code notebooks are much snappier and are possibly the best Jupyter implementations I’ve ever used (better and more responsive than vanilla Jupyter or Jupyter labs).

VS code notebooks also support LSPs with refactoring, typing etc. Black is supported. Step by step debugging is supported. Venv is built in.

There are so many conveniennces in VS Code that whenever I have to use Jupyter Lab I feel a lot of stuff is missing.

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