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Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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My envy on this place is mighty (and all this from a bug tracker?), but is tempered by more annoyance at the Javascript nightmare that is Picasa. Why can't I middle-click to open pictures in new windows? Because Google Breaks The Browser. Top.

If you were using The Browser, Opera, here's how you could open those pictures effortlessly in new tabs: 1) Right-click on top of a picture, keep the button down. 2) Flick your mouse slightly downwards. 3) Release the right mouse button. And there you go. Now, after checking out a picture, you'd want to close the newly opened tab, and get back to where you were: 1) Right-click, and hold 2) Move the mouse slightly dow…

The issue isn't with the absence of mouse gestures; it's with the absence of link targets.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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Better recruiting tool: Make an office that female developers want to work in, the male developers will follow.

I want to second this --- I don't like working in places that are exclusionary, that privilege gender (or, say, ethnicity0 above talent. It's not about the eye candy. Generally places that you'd only want to work if you were male are not places I want to work.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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seriously nice diggs, cant imagine how much that place costs but they've got the cash and have a great outlook on getting ROI via recruiting and client WOW, certainly offers a differnt perspective to just getting bought. Why not built a super cool company that you love to work at instead?

I doubt it has a good ROI via recruiting, etc. Joel mentioned he spent more than a million on improving the interior design. No recruiting is going to make up for that, any time soon#. And in a few years Fog Creek will move to a different location again - at which point they'll have to build a new high end office. So really, this seems to be a case of spending money to improve quality of life. The other benefits, suc…

To have "a good ROI via recruiting," never mind the etc., he just has to improve his profits by more than 40k per year, by making better products than he would have otherwise, by hiring better people than he would have otherwise --- or by having to pay 40k less per year in salary, although that seems less likely. Although the chain of causality here has a lot of randomness attached to it, if he has a few million dollars in revenue per year, such an improvement hardly seems implausible.

The flip side is that spending a lot of money on something apparently unnecessary might incline you to spend more money on things that are actually unnecessary.

(I'm assuming "a good ROI" means 4% per year.)

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were using The Browser, Opera, here's how you could open those pictures effortlessly in new tabs: 1) Right-click on top of a picture, keep the button down. 2) Flick your mouse slightly downwards. 3) Release the right mouse button. And there you go. Now, after checking out a picture, you'd want to close the newly opened tab, and get back to where you were: 1) Right-click, and hold 2) Move the mouse slightly dow…

The issue isn't with the absence of mouse gestures; it's with the absence of link targets.

Suspecting that might be the case, I tried opening some pictures before posting, and it all worked for me.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn't with the absence of mouse gestures; it's with the absence of link targets.

Suspecting that might be the case, I tried opening some pictures before posting, and it all worked for me.

Since that's the case, the Opera feature to mention is something about successfully opening JavaScript links in new windows, not mouse gestures; talking about the mouse gestures just confused me.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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That looks like a pretty impressive office. It sounds like a successful recruiting tool; I would definitely like working in that environment. What other companies put that much attention towards work environment? I know that a lot of popular startups tend to favor communal environments, but seeing actual offices is pretty rare. All of the places I've worked at tend to fall somewhere between decent to hellish cube nig…

Definitely. I even showed my developer friend the pictures and ended up explaining what Fog Creek does.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspecting that might be the case, I tried opening some pictures before posting, and it all worked for me.

Since that's the case, the Opera feature to mention is something about successfully opening JavaScript links in new windows, not mouse gestures; talking about the mouse gestures just confused me.

Only if the Firefox middle-click thing was only about opening JavaScript links too, I guess.

In any case, mouse gestures are a good thing and make your browsing more efficient.

Re: Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since that's the case, the Opera feature to mention is something about successfully opening JavaScript links in new windows, not mouse gestures; talking about the mouse gestures just confused me.

Only if the Firefox middle-click thing was only about opening JavaScript links too, I guess. In any case, mouse gestures are a good thing and make your browsing more efficient.

Oh, I think the complaint was that normally middle-click opens things in a new tab (which it does, and has since Mosaic 1.0, except that before we had tabs they were windows) but that doesn't work with Picasa or whatever, because they're JavaScript links.
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