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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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newer reports saying 1000s not 100s https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/17/middle-ea...

> More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics

The CNN title implies that only Hezbollah members were targeted were reality seems different. It's crazy a country is capable of doing a "special security operation" on civilians of another country without any international sanctions.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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The reports right now are that these were ordinary pagers and that some sort of software attack overloaded the batteries and caused them to explode. But I work lithium batteries. I've overloaded lithium batteries before and let them explode for safety testing. The videos released of these things exploding on people doesn't look anything like what I would expect, especially not from something as small as a pager batte…

> The reports right now ... Propaganda is running at 400% on both sides, I wouldn't trust anything, especially not "we just hacked pagers and made them explode via software"

Yeah, I'm getting the same energy from that claim as this: https://dtrap-blog.acm.org/2019/09/04/hackers-can-turn-your-...

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#93
Israel has done this in the past by supplying parts to Iran for printers that would explode https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-ballistic-missile-sab...

I also seem to recall them using modified cell phones to blow up militants or use them to triangulate their location. I can't seem to find the article(s) about this, unfortunately.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Well, James Mickens sure called this one.

Could you explain for the uninitiated?

"""

In the real world, threat models are much simpler (see Figure 1). Basically, you’re either dealing with Mossad or not-Mossad. If your adversary is not-Mossad, then you’ll probably be fine if you pick a good pass-word and don’t respond to emails from ChEaPestPAiNPi11s@virus-basket.biz.ru. If your adversary is the Mossad, YOU’RE GONNA DIE AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. The Mossad is not intimidated by the fact that you employ https://. If the Mossad wants your data, they’re going to use a drone to replace your cellphone with a piece of uranium that’s shaped like a cellphone, and when you die of tumors filled with tumors, they’re going to hold a press conference and say “It wasn’t us” as they wear t-shirts that say “IT WAS DEFINITELY US,” and then they’re going to buy all of your stuff at your estate sale so that they can directly look at the photos of your vacation instead of reading your insipid emails about them.

"""

Pretty wild that this mentions a mobile device supply chain attack explicitly.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#96

This hack is the best argument against network-connected electric vehicles that there is. Imagine the same, but with tens of thousands of Teslas.

Not to mention phones, laptops, tables, smart watches, medical devices, children's toys, etc.

That's exactly why the "software hack" doesn't make any sense

No battery powered gadget as ever exploded like that ever

That's a battery explosion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR7_xwQbYp0

That's a bomb: https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1836037485492629605

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#97

Maybe a dumb question, but I wonder if this was a software attack or IL was able to modify the physical pagers that are issued during Hezbollah onboarding. If this was a pure software attack, are only pagers susceptible? Or are we unknowingly carrying around bombs in our pocket, waiting for the counterattack?

There's no way the little battery in a pager has enough energy to do this. This is a 'supply chain attack' by the Israelis. An ingenious one at that.

Why waste it on a clever show instead of stalking their owners silently?

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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This is going to be an interesting one... definitely someone (not a lot of guessing who) modified the pagers somewhere in the supply chain... As with exploding drones, this will become a thing in other countries too, either as a part of organized crime or general terrorism.

Another working theory is that it could just be an opportunistic cyber attack - compromising lithium batteries. Though some of the videos coming out look like a bigger explosion that just a battery going off: https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/1fizgag/ha_member_...

Nah, batteries don't explode like that... heat, burst of fire somewhere, sure... full on explosion, no way. This was done somewhere in the supply chain, devices were replaced, explosives were added.

And israel will wonder why suddenly even more lebanonis want to fight them after.

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