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Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by ryandrake »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #291
IshKebab wrote: post #280

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Thanks for confirming the nightmare.

I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It isn’t a complete nightmare yet. I think we’re still in a grey area. This will help some people still, though it’ll definitely hinder others (myself included). Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.

> Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.

When Quarantine was released in Leopard, and Gatekeeper in Lion, and System Integrity Protection in El Capitan, and then "Allow from Anywhere" was removed as an option in Sierra... Each time, people were saying similar things. "Yea, it's bad, and it's getting consistently worse with every release, but surely we are nowhere near 'really bad' yet!"

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by elzbardico »

seszett wrote: post #173
threeseed wrote: post #97

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> supporting interoperability for these protocols is a burden Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and security risk. You would be allowing third parties the ability to continuously record your iPhone's screen. Which includes websites you browse, apps you open, health information, text messages etc. And the Mac is so much open that you could do this, have a local model to transcribe it and ship it to a remo…

If it's so sensitive and dangerous, how do you explain that scrcpy has been available for years under Android? Are governments recording the screens of Android users?

Assume it is trivial for the government to do so if they want.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by zamadatix »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #106
skydhash wrote: post #61

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I've installed Asahi on my mac. Altough I had to recreate some utilities, it's so much worth it. With macOS you have to accept the good and the bad, and the bad are really annoying. It work great for task focused usage, but for personal computing, it's a pain.

How's your experience? I'm tempted but have so many questions: - Which mac are you using? - Any missing hardware support? - Dual booting? - How's Bluetooth? - Anything else that was surprising, scary, or disappointing?

The lack of support for the built in microphone is a bit of a catch you don't see mentioned too often. It feels like one of those things that would have come early on and it's not necessarily the first thing you're going to reach for but it can be a bit surprising when you find out it's just not there.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by wpm »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #244

I feel left out sometimes given that I'm still on Mojave. Everyone else is enjoying their new features. But I also like running 32-bit apps and knowing where the system preferences are (because they haven't changed every year for me). So swings and roundabouts.

I'm thinking of going back. I can't stand the horrific "flat" UI and the crappy white-on-grey-on-light-grey, I hate not having separate window title bars, the combined title/tool bars, the inscrutable buttons labeled with nothing but a squiggle, it's just hideous now.

Even though Mojave and Catalina still carry scars from the crimes committed in Yosemite towards good adherence to the HIG, they're miles better.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by simonask »

Pesthuf wrote: post #301
frankjr wrote: post #259

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> The right-click/control-click option for easily opening unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to do it: first, try to launch the app and dismiss the dialog box telling you that it can't be opened. Then, open Settings, go to the Privacy & Security screen, scroll all the way to the bottom to get to the Security section, and click the Ope…

One huge step closer to iOS. Damn it. I actually liked macOS but these changes are terrible for everyone but the most basic users.

Really? This is _huge_ to you? How many unsigned apps are you downloading and running?

This is one of those features where the benefits seem to very obviously outweigh the drawbacks. 99.9% of users just aren't running unsigned software, so the moment that happens, it is most certainly malware.

If you're developing software yourself, this isn't an issue either, since all the relevant toolchains, debuggers, etc., work just fine under this model. That's a supported workflow. The only thing that isn't supported is downloading some random unverified app bundle from who knows where and treating it as if you could trust it. You 100% can't.

And yes, I also believe that if an OSS project considers "muggles" their target audience, they should prioritize setting up code-signing. Consider it a service to their users. If the fee is a problem, it's important enough to spend the effort to find a way to finance it. If you can't find someone who is willing to put their name on it, you shouldn't ask people to run your software on their machines in the first place.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

chongli wrote: post #334
adastra22 wrote: post #272

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Anything you compile on your own system you can run. This only affects downloaded binaries.

Yes, so we should move to a source-based package manager and build system, like FreeBSD ports.

There are plenty of options for that on macOS, the most common being homebrew and MacPorts.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by __jonas »

frankjr wrote: post #259
n42 wrote: post #248

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> No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper Can someone expand on this? How do you run software that isn't code signed?

> The right-click/control-click option for easily opening unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to do it: first, try to launch the app and dismiss the dialog box telling you that it can't be opened. Then, open Settings, go to the Privacy & Security screen, scroll all the way to the bottom to get to the Security section, and click the Ope…

My god, I had no idea there was a shorter way than that, can't believe I'm finding this out just as they remove it, so annoying!

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by paradox460 »

hollow-moe wrote: post #27
trvr wrote: post #5

I am usually slow to upgrade but I jumped on this and iOS 18 immediately because of "iPhone Mirroring". I've only had it for a few minutes, but it's really nice!

is it just what scrcpy has been doing for some years already ?

Yes but this time it was "invented" by Apple

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by wpm »

aetherspawn wrote: post #260

Well, 1Password must be feeling pretty sour about how Apple Passwords app is a complete 1:1 clone. They don’t do licenses, credit cards or ssh keys yet so we probably won’t switch… yet

It also doesn't do half the shit Keychain Access did other than hold onto passwords. At least they didn't rip it out of the OS altogether, it's in /System/Library/CoreServices/Applications now.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by corytheboyd »

rpastuszak wrote: post #47
modeless wrote: post #3

Window tiling! If you drag a single window to the top does it maximize, and unmaximize when you drag it away? That's been my most wanted feature in macOS since forever (yes I have tried the third party ones). I don't really care about tiling multiple windows, but I've always hated the macOS full screen behavior, and before that the old green button behavior, so an alternative that finally works well (the way Windows…

Hm, I've been really happy with Rectangle ( https://rectangleapp.com ) and its shortcuts have become second nature to me, but if the native version is equally keyboard friendly I might give it a go. (btw, have you tried Rectangle and if so - what didn't you like?) (Not affiliated with it, just a happy user)

Same, install Rectangle, learn shortcuts, never look back. I would happily remove it if the exact same functionality were ported to macOS (remove one more supply chain concern), but it seems it hasn’t been?
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