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Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by threeseed »

amluto wrote: post #137
threeseed wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> supporting interoperability for these protocols is a burden Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and security risk. You would be allowing third parties the ability to continuously record your iPhone's screen. Which includes websites you browse, apps you open, health information, text messages etc. And the Mac is so much open that you could do this, have a local model to transcribe it and ship it to a remo…

> Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and security risk. > You would be allowing third parties the ability to continuously record your iPhone's screen. Which includes websites you browse, apps you open, health information, text messages etc. > And the Mac is so much open that you could do this, have a local model to transcribe it and ship it to a remote server without the user noticing. MacOS is not secure…

Most people interact with apps like Health on their phone not their Mac.

And there are also many third party apps that never made Mac versions.

So the amount of data we are talking about exposing is significantly higher.

And the issue is that the DMA is ambiguous about what competition and interoperability specifically means and so it would just take one company to complain about your solution for Apple to be fined 10% of global revenue.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by jazzyjackson »

zozbot234 wrote: post #102
leetharris wrote: post #15

Weird how the title says, "macOS Sequoia is available today, bringing iPhone Mirroring, Apple Intelligence, and more to Mac" Then you look at the paragraph for this and it says, "Coming Soon: Apple Intelligence" They announced this in June, and it's just loosely coming "this fall." I have a feeling they are finding it very difficult to do anything with any kind of consistency or value on their 8gb RAM phones / Macboo…

My understanding is that 8GB is plenty enough to play with small models (7B or so) in a lightly quantized version. (Especially since model params are kept on disk and only really "mapped" to RAM, with it acting as a cache.) 4GB is where it gets dicey, as you're constrained to tiny models that just don't do anything very interesting.

7B llama 3.1 takes up 5GB ram loaded up in LM Studio, Ive never seen macos idle below 5GB on its own but maybe it can pull some swap magic.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by samatman »

cyberpunk wrote: post #34
trvr wrote: post #5

I am usually slow to upgrade but I jumped on this and iOS 18 immediately because of "iPhone Mirroring". I've only had it for a few minutes, but it's really nice!

Ah I really wanted this too but it seems like it's not available in the EU. Does anyone understand why? Is it apple having a flap about recent DMA/Whatever regulations they don't like or is there an actual technical reason why what's probably a fancy version of VNC can't work without breaching European regulations?

Pretty simple really. The EU can't fine Apple for not doing business in EU countries, including not rolling out a feature. But if they do roll out a feature, EU has decided it can fine them 20% of global revenue if it isn't just how the EU wants it to be.

Not doing so only costs Apple whatever marginal business they expect to lose in EU for not offering this or that feature. So I'd expect more of this going forward.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by JoBrad »

agys wrote: post #126
NetOpWibby wrote: post #109

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PresButan is mandatory for me on macOS so I can make the Delete/Backspace key delete files.

Genuine q: is cmd–backspace too much? I’m in general pretty satisfied with the Finder keyboard navigation/editing. Especially with “enter” for rename, copy/paste/cut/move and deletion too…

I never understood the enter for rename shortcut. People open (or "execute", which is the general understanding of the action for the "enter" key) files far more than they rename them.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by dbbk »

modeless wrote: post #3

Window tiling! If you drag a single window to the top does it maximize, and unmaximize when you drag it away? That's been my most wanted feature in macOS since forever (yes I have tried the third party ones). I don't really care about tiling multiple windows, but I've always hated the macOS full screen behavior, and before that the old green button behavior, so an alternative that finally works well (the way Windows…

It maximises, but slightly smaller than full maximisation, which is driving me crazy. Eg there's a 30px or so gap, and if you double tap the chrome it fills the remaining space.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by mikepurvis »

Filligree wrote: post #133
minot wrote: post #121

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> "the last 5% is an open research problem". That is the biggest hurdle, in my opinion. If we could even reply with, "sorry, I don't know about that", it would be such an improvement over what we have today. Sadly, from what I understand, the only way to say "sorry, I don't know about that" is to just say that to every single question?

There's no specific reason why LLMs couldn't be trained to say "Don't know" when they don't know. Indeed, some close examination shows separate calculation patterns when it's telling the truth, when it's making a mistake and when it's deliberately bullshitting, with the latter being painfully common. The problem is we don't train them that way. They're trained on what data is on the internet, and people... people rea…

Do you think it's really a training set problem? I don't think you learn to say that you don't understand by observing people say it, you learn to say it by being introspective about how much you have actually comprehended, understanding when your thinking is going in multiple conflicting directions and you don't know which is correct, etc.

Kids learn to express confusion and uncertainty in an environment where their parents are always very confident of everything.

Overall though, I agree that this is the biggest issue right now in the AI space; instead of being able to cut itself off, the system just rambles and hallucinates and makes stuff up out of whole cloth.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by fhdsgbbcaA »

zozbot234 wrote: post #102
leetharris wrote: post #15

Weird how the title says, "macOS Sequoia is available today, bringing iPhone Mirroring, Apple Intelligence, and more to Mac" Then you look at the paragraph for this and it says, "Coming Soon: Apple Intelligence" They announced this in June, and it's just loosely coming "this fall." I have a feeling they are finding it very difficult to do anything with any kind of consistency or value on their 8gb RAM phones / Macboo…

My understanding is that 8GB is plenty enough to play with small models (7B or so) in a lightly quantized version. (Especially since model params are kept on disk and only really "mapped" to RAM, with it acting as a cache.) 4GB is where it gets dicey, as you're constrained to tiny models that just don't do anything very interesting.

Yes but if it is running system-wide services the issue is what is left over?

They should not be selling 8GB machines, it was always about being greedy with upgrades. Now they painted themselves in a corner.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by vbezhenar »

duped wrote: post #72
jmward01 wrote: post #14

A long time ago I started dreading major updates from corporate providers. They push features they want, not features I want. It got so bad with Microsoft that I fled. Apple's updates have been aggressive in resetting my preferences and pushing things like iCloud and their login to the point that they are on the Microsoft path. I am forced to use mac for work but only because of work.

Apple is most certainly not the company you want to purchase products from if you're afraid of major updates. They are far more aggressive and eager to break things than Microsoft.

I'm afraid of major updates and I'm using Apple. I usually wait around a year before updating and that works for me. They release security fixes for old versions.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by dbbk »

kccqzy wrote: post #136
trvr wrote: post #5

I am usually slow to upgrade but I jumped on this and iOS 18 immediately because of "iPhone Mirroring". I've only had it for a few minutes, but it's really nice!

Can you elaborate on why it's nice? How do I do multi-touch gestures with a single cursor? Is the main benefit be able to use iPhone apps on a bigger screen? Can iPhone apps display more content (maybe let the app pretend it's being displayed on an iPad or at least a larger screen than the physical screen size)?

> How do I do multi-touch gestures with a single cursor?

The same way you do them on Mac. With a trackpad.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by kccqzy »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #106
skydhash wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've installed Asahi on my mac. Altough I had to recreate some utilities, it's so much worth it. With macOS you have to accept the good and the bad, and the bad are really annoying. It work great for task focused usage, but for personal computing, it's a pain.

How's your experience? I'm tempted but have so many questions: - Which mac are you using? - Any missing hardware support? - Dual booting? - How's Bluetooth? - Anything else that was surprising, scary, or disappointing?

Not OP but I use Asahi on my M1 Pro MBP. Hardware support is incomplete (Thunderbolt doesn't work for example) but I don't need it. One surprising thing is the battery life while sleeping but I learned to do a shutdown instead of sleeping on it.
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