Oracle still uses Java though. You can't spell JavaScript without Java. Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java, so the trademark for JS should at least revert to the public.
> Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java Curious, but in what way? Java still drive lots of enterprise and banks, and I cant' say I've seen any Node.js in the backend at any of these places.
Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#32The letter makes points that the trademark is already abandoned. I'm not familiar with trademark laws, but if the trademark is already abandoned, why the need for the letter?
Some countries, the trademarks are market sector specific, but in other places cover all use cases for the name/mark.
It is highly recommended to trademark commercial products/names in each country of import. Otherwise your company could end up getting sued/imports-seized by an opportunistic a*hole that does nothing except sneak copyright/trademark rights.
Oracle is smart, and will sit on the IP like any business person should.
Most people that complain about trademarks/copyright have never been ripped off for a few hundred thousand by import/customs rules, or had counterfeit products show up for warranty repairs/returns.
IP is messy for sure, but it is better to negotiate from a position of legal power asymmetry when dealing with unreasonable individuals. Some people are crazy... had a few cons harassing one of the engineers a long time back, and needed legal to politely "ask" them to find another hobby. =3
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#33Oracle still uses Java though. You can't spell JavaScript without Java. Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java, so the trademark for JS should at least revert to the public.
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#34There’s lots of colloquially used names by the general public that technically infringe trademark. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici... “Aspirin”, “elevators”, “laundromat” are just a few examples. Even “App Store” was trademarked (by Apple).
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#35There’s lots of colloquially used names by the general public that technically infringe trademark. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici... “Aspirin”, “elevators”, “laundromat” are just a few examples. Even “App Store” was trademarked (by Apple).
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#36The letter makes points that the trademark is already abandoned. I'm not familiar with trademark laws, but if the trademark is already abandoned, why the need for the letter?
JavaScript is a registered trademark. It would be easier for everyone if Oracle released the trademark registration than for the letter signers to file a legal petition requesting the USPTO cancel the registration.
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#37They're clinging to it because of the "java" part, not the "script" part. And they'll hold on to that tightly. The most manifest example of this is simply what they made the Eclipse org jump through when they dropped, now, "Jakarta" EE. That was not a small rock in the Java pond at the time when we had to go through the Great Renaming. But they did it anyway because the packages used to be named "javax", and Oracle w…
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#38There’s lots of colloquially used names by the general public that technically infringe trademark. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici... “Aspirin”, “elevators”, “laundromat” are just a few examples. Even “App Store” was trademarked (by Apple).
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#39The article kinda glossed over how Sun got the trademark: "As a result of this partnership...". What does "this" refer to? Using the same syntax?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#Creation_at_Netscap...
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#40Is this really so?
I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives. Web is popular, this is just an accompanying disaster.
There was an argument about fragmentation so people didn't want more things as option. As an answer to that there were many (?) attempts to solve problems that come with JavaScript for years, anybody remember coffee script? The only one that worked is typescript. And typescript again transpiles to Javascript having worse performance and a bunch of limitations.
The only alternative that I saw that makes sense is dart and people crucified google for considering to include it in chromium. It is really a shame that this didn't get accepted.