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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#11

The letter makes points that the trademark is already abandoned. I'm not familiar with trademark laws, but if the trademark is already abandoned, why the need for the letter?

Abandoned as in "they aren't using it", but they do keep renewing the trademark so they still hold it.

I have a domain name that I haven't used in years. I keep renewing it though, just in case.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abandoned as in "they aren't using it", but they do keep renewing the trademark so they still hold it.

I have a domain name that I haven't used in years. I keep renewing it though, just in case.

Not the same thing. Trademark abandonment is a specific legal concept. You can apply for regular renewal of a trademark, but others can argue that you are not actually utilizing the tm. In this case, JavaScript is not legally abandoned but the letter argues it should be

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#14
I thought this was just another internet rant until I got to the bottom of the page:

> Sincerely,

> Ryan Dahl - creator of Node.js

> Brendan Eich - creator of JavaScript

> Michael Ficarra - editor of the JavaScript spec

> Rich Harris - creator of Svelte

> Isaac Z. Schlueter - creator of npm

> Feross Aboukhadijeh - CEO of Socket

> James M Snell - member of Node.js TSC

> Wes Bos - host of Syntax.fm

> Scott Tolinski - host of Syntax.fm

> and 191 more members of the JavaScript community

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly have not read the post :D

If you mean: Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript and a co-signatory of this letter, wrote in 2006 that “ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease.” Then this is not a matter of trademark or identity. It is only a matter of marketing. If this is just a matter of trademark my comment remains equally valid. Just use a different name.

How many books and blog posts with "JavsScript" in the title are there? Several quadrillion is my guess.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#16
There’s lots of colloquially used names by the general public that technically infringe trademark.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici...

“Aspirin”, “elevators”, “laundromat” are just a few examples.

Even “App Store” was trademarked (by Apple).

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#19

The letter makes points that the trademark is already abandoned. I'm not familiar with trademark laws, but if the trademark is already abandoned, why the need for the letter?

Oracle's lawyers dutifully renew the trademark annually. Despite their lack of active use, this leaves the door open for future use. It creates a nebulous state where Oracle could choose to initiate a costly legal action against someone using the trademark. One of those situations where the law can be on your side but the real problem is if you can afford the legal battle.

As the letter notes, Oracle has never actually taken any kind of action to keep people from using the name. They don't even make performative reminders. They know their claim on the mark is weak and they aren't going to waste a lot of lawyer time on it. But it's Oracle, so they won't willingly give up anything that might be worth more than a dime. This is just to note their continued non-action when the USPTO is asked to nullify the mark.
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