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Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by ericd »

jwu59 wrote: post #28
winestock wrote: post #3

Quote:"Now thirty five years later, Cernan and Schmitt are still the last to walk on the Moon." That page was last updated in December of 2007, so add another four years. How many people in this forum can truthfully say this sentence: "Man has not walked on the moon in my lifetime." Say it again. Say it again. Say it again until righteous rage makes you want to spit on all of the bureaucrats, activists, and other par…

Spit on bureaucrats? You sound arrogant. Sorry but they had bigger issues than catering to your lame childhood wishes. I recommend you go live in an Indian slum for a few years to realign your selfish priorities.

The fact that humanity has not reached a uniformly high standard of living doesn't at all mean that we shouldn't keep expending extraordinary effort and resources to keep the frontier of science moving forward. On the contrary, advances of science will make it easier to raise the baseline standard of living.

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by jlgreco »

simonh wrote: post #25
winestock wrote: post #3

Quote:"Now thirty five years later, Cernan and Schmitt are still the last to walk on the Moon." That page was last updated in December of 2007, so add another four years. How many people in this forum can truthfully say this sentence: "Man has not walked on the moon in my lifetime." Say it again. Say it again. Say it again until righteous rage makes you want to spit on all of the bureaucrats, activists, and other par…

Absolutely, what we need to solve all humanity's problems is more moon rock. If only we had enough moon rocks, things would be just so much better. Why can't the paper pushers and beureaucrats just get with the program and give us our moon rocks? How much moon rock do you think we need? A dozen tons? A hundred tons? Wow, imagine what we could achieve with a hundred tons of moon rock. Why, the sky's the limit! Which p…

Do you really think the reason we have not returned is because the resources were diverted to solve "humanities problems"?

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by jlgreco »

jwu59 wrote: post #28
winestock wrote: post #3

Quote:"Now thirty five years later, Cernan and Schmitt are still the last to walk on the Moon." That page was last updated in December of 2007, so add another four years. How many people in this forum can truthfully say this sentence: "Man has not walked on the moon in my lifetime." Say it again. Say it again. Say it again until righteous rage makes you want to spit on all of the bureaucrats, activists, and other par…

Spit on bureaucrats? You sound arrogant. Sorry but they had bigger issues than catering to your lame childhood wishes. I recommend you go live in an Indian slum for a few years to realign your selfish priorities.

I am so glad our bureaucrats are hard at work fixing those Indian slums. Had we not ended manned moon missions, there might still be people living in poverty today!

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by Luc »

This is a beautiful image, but I think the colours are a bit off. There's some vertical red banding especially on the left of the image that I can't un-see. I emailed the person who made these about this once, and he mentioned he had a slight colour-blindness.

I know there's some colour on the moon, but I don't think it's as much as this image suggests.

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by arethuza »

ericd wrote: post #30
simonh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, what we need to solve all humanity's problems is more moon rock. If only we had enough moon rocks, things would be just so much better. Why can't the paper pushers and beureaucrats just get with the program and give us our moon rocks? How much moon rock do you think we need? A dozen tons? A hundred tons? Wow, imagine what we could achieve with a hundred tons of moon rock. Why, the sky's the limit! Which p…

You're really missing the point of going to the moon really, really hard.

Which was to get to the Moon before the Soviets?

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by ricardobeat »

dredmorbius wrote: post #26
ricardobeat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many features in moon photographs are bizarre, I don't blame the nuts too much... In this crop from a panorama, for example, the rover seems completely out of proportion, like a miniature: http://cl.ly/3M0v0S3R2M2N3h180Q1W Compare the size of the footprint and the stones in the left side, to the stones near the rover. Either the moon has some weird rock distributions, the image is highly deformed, or this is a fake :…

A few factors contribute to that photo's impression. Aside from being a composite: - There's no atmosphere on the moon. Which means there's no distance haze. Far objects are just as sharp as near ones. - There are no reference points to indicate scale. This is fairly common in terrestrial photos of barren landscapes, especially Alpine, Arctic, or glacial photos. In this image of a Pakistani landslide, note the appare…

Agreed, but the rocks should serve as a good enough reference. The effect on that moon shot would require rock sizes to increase almost linearly with distance - rocks are a foot wide near the camera but half-meter wide afar - which is extremely odd.

(of course I believe that to be an artifact of image stitching and perspective corrections, what I meant is that it's easy to misinterpret these oddities)

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by ricardobeat »

simonh wrote: post #25
winestock wrote: post #3

Quote:"Now thirty five years later, Cernan and Schmitt are still the last to walk on the Moon." That page was last updated in December of 2007, so add another four years. How many people in this forum can truthfully say this sentence: "Man has not walked on the moon in my lifetime." Say it again. Say it again. Say it again until righteous rage makes you want to spit on all of the bureaucrats, activists, and other par…

Absolutely, what we need to solve all humanity's problems is more moon rock. If only we had enough moon rocks, things would be just so much better. Why can't the paper pushers and beureaucrats just get with the program and give us our moon rocks? How much moon rock do you think we need? A dozen tons? A hundred tons? Wow, imagine what we could achieve with a hundred tons of moon rock. Why, the sky's the limit! Which p…

You're right, what we need is weaponry. Lots of it. To solve problems.

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by simonh »

arethuza wrote: post #35
ericd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're really missing the point of going to the moon really, really hard.

Which was to get to the Moon before the Soviets?

Can it be a coincidence that the moon rock-poor USSR collapsed while the moon rock-rich USA is now the world's only real superpower?

OK, so maybe I'm pushing this a bit...

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by simonh »

rimantas wrote: post #27
simonh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, what we need to solve all humanity's problems is more moon rock. If only we had enough moon rocks, things would be just so much better. Why can't the paper pushers and beureaucrats just get with the program and give us our moon rocks? How much moon rock do you think we need? A dozen tons? A hundred tons? Wow, imagine what we could achieve with a hundred tons of moon rock. Why, the sky's the limit! Which p…

Yeah. Imagine the same kind of thinking many many years ago: why would we play with fire—it burns! Why should we leave the cave? Why should we sail the seas?

Why shouldn't I wear my pants on my head and run down the street naked? Maybe I'll start a new trend.

Note that I'm not against us going to the moon. The fact is we've done it. So now if we're going to do it again, all I ask is for an actual reason to do so.

If it turned out that fire had no actual useful applications and was just horrifically dangerous, we would perhaps have experimented with it briefly and then forgot about it. We wouldn't still be habitually setting everything around us on fire, just because. It turned out that fire did have many useful practical applications though.

Re: Apollo 17 at Shorty Crater

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Post by simonh »

jlgreco wrote: post #32
simonh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, what we need to solve all humanity's problems is more moon rock. If only we had enough moon rocks, things would be just so much better. Why can't the paper pushers and beureaucrats just get with the program and give us our moon rocks? How much moon rock do you think we need? A dozen tons? A hundred tons? Wow, imagine what we could achieve with a hundred tons of moon rock. Why, the sky's the limit! Which p…

Do you really think the reason we have not returned is because the resources were diverted to solve "humanities problems"?

They were diverted to solve some problems faced by some humans. Problems that would not have been solved otherwise.
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