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Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by Timber-6539 »

PKop wrote: post #79
TomK32 wrote: post #26

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Is that just AMD? On my thinkpad X270 playing videos in Firefox is just a mess. All sorts of problems while Chromium is just fine. It's also fine on a copy of my system that I run on a thinkcentre tiny.

Chromium doesn't support hardware decoded video though right? While Firefox does, so you're killing your battery life with extra cpu cycles.

Chromium doesn't document this but they support hardware video decode on Linux. Works best on Intel iGPU. AMD needed some patches to get it working using Vulkan IIRC and Nvidia is Nvidia.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by atlas_hugged »

anthk wrote: post #74
gigatexal wrote: post #57

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6.10 broke my fedora gaming proton box and I was on holiday at the time and so upset I just nuked it and put windows on it to play games. Now it's only powered on on the weekends to play games and I've moved all my linux needs to a VM on my overspecc'd Mac. I also had an AMDGPU system. 5600X, AMD 6800 GPU, Fedora 40. -> now win11 (which has so much cruft out of the box I am considering nuking it and going back haha)

Try Fedora Bazzite. It's inmutable and you'll get rollbacks at the grub prompt.

+1 just installed this yesterday. Still kicking the tires

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by daemonologist »

homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

Yeah I've experienced a fair number crashes with 6.10 (multiple point releases) on my 680M. Earlier kernels were fine in my recollection although I didn't bother downgrading, and Windows remains rock solid on the same system.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

#104

Post by PKop »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #101
PKop wrote: post #79

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Chromium doesn't support hardware decoded video though right? While Firefox does, so you're killing your battery life with extra cpu cycles.

Chromium doesn't document this but they support hardware video decode on Linux. Works best on Intel iGPU. AMD needed some patches to get it working using Vulkan IIRC and Nvidia is Nvidia.

What did you have to do to get it to work for Intel iGPU? Passing all combinations of command line flags never made it work.

intel_gpu_top showed both Video and VideoEnhance markers signaling hardware decode as inactive, and all commenters on message boards that I came across essentially came to the same conclusion, that it doesn't work at least at the time I as trying a few months ago. I think it was that Chromium devs don't support it and block it from functioning in the code because of this or that upstream dependency not being stable.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

#105

Post by Timber-6539 »

PKop wrote: post #104
Timber-6539 wrote: post #101

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Chromium doesn't document this but they support hardware video decode on Linux. Works best on Intel iGPU. AMD needed some patches to get it working using Vulkan IIRC and Nvidia is Nvidia.

What did you have to do to get it to work for Intel iGPU? Passing all combinations of command line flags never made it work. intel_gpu_top showed both Video and VideoEnhance markers signaling hardware decode as inactive, and all commenters on message boards that I came across essentially came to the same conclusion, that it doesn't work at least at the time I as trying a few months ago. I think it was that Chromium d…

Have no problem using just this flag --enable-features=VaapiVideoDecodeLinuxGL on a laptop with HD Graphics 500. And I even think that flag is passed by default now.

Key thing is to make sure you are playing back supported codecs when checking for hw decode. E.g YouTube randomly forces av1 on clients and some older hardware don't support hw decode for it.

Also some distros like Fedora and OpenSUSE ship with partial codec support in their installation media.

An easy way to make sure you have all the right drivers in place is to test this in one of the Chromium flatpaks.

Though I have to state hardware video playback is not yet officially supported and it has broken a lot over the past due to this fact and the quality of the different GPU drivers in question here. The Chromium devs don't explicitly block vaapi on Intel hardware.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by PKop »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #105
PKop wrote: post #104

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What did you have to do to get it to work for Intel iGPU? Passing all combinations of command line flags never made it work. intel_gpu_top showed both Video and VideoEnhance markers signaling hardware decode as inactive, and all commenters on message boards that I came across essentially came to the same conclusion, that it doesn't work at least at the time I as trying a few months ago. I think it was that Chromium d…

Have no problem using just this flag --enable-features=VaapiVideoDecodeLinuxGL on a laptop with HD Graphics 500. And I even think that flag is passed by default now. Key thing is to make sure you are playing back supported codecs when checking for hw decode. E.g YouTube randomly forces av1 on clients and some older hardware don't support hw decode for it. Also some distros like Fedora and OpenSUSE ship with partial c…

I always had all the codecs and Vaapi on Firefox worked fine, but could specifically never get Youtube on Chromium to use GPU decoding, that was the main problem you're reminding me.

In this past year, I've since moved to Windows after like 7 years of constantly messing and tweaking Linux to kinda sorta almost for some stretch of time get all the things to work after spending hours looking for the right configuration. Look at how long this thread is, for example[0]. Or here most saying it still doesn't work[1] and the flags constantly change. Before Linux I was about 6 yrs on Mac. I hadn't used Windows for so long, it actually felt weird to have so much hardware and software support for anything I ever need to use.

I'll take your word for it that Chromium sometimes uses hardware decoding now. But as you say, and they should put that slogan on a T-shirt: "Linux on Desktop: not officially supported and it has broken a lot over the past due to lack of support and quality of driver". I wouldn't really characterize that as "have no problem using". It feels nice to have a system that just works without all that hassle and tweaking so I can just get actual work done, or watch Youtube efficiently without brittle configuration, no window manager bugs etc.

[0] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=244031&p=40

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ey4n2k/heres_how_to...

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

#108

Post by The_Colonel »

IshKebab wrote: post #83
meiraleal wrote: post #56

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What about he just continue doing what he is doing? We are talking about the most succesful open source project here

I'd argue KHTML could give Linux a run for its money for that title.

No way. KHTML is a cautionary tale of what happens when open source is coopted by corporate power. How can you call KHTML successful when it is dead, with its progeny in tight control of Google/Apple?

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

#109

Post by 7e »

saagarjha wrote: post #60
7e wrote: post #27

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No, not at all. GPUs are the key to enabling all that. Kernels are just some glue running in there. Most of the NVIDIA goodness is actually in userspace. You could just as well say that electricity or HVAC is the key.

> kernels And what exactly do you think your GPU is running? Checkmate atheists

I must upvote your comment, this was hilarious.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by 7e »

abenga wrote: post #18
7e wrote: post #9

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LLMs are not an "important advancement of humankind". Might as well add crypto if that's the bar.

If crypto is the bar, Linux looks even worse. At least crypto was novel in the past 30 years. Linux works on new hardware and... that's it. There's nothing new about Linux. As far as OSes go there is seL4 other interesting research. Linux is a toilet. It flushes. It has utility. That's good, but I don't need to hear about every new release of something which just isn't changing in fundamental ways.
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