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Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by dangard » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:41 AM UTC

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #8

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #3

I've learned to hate software process. If you have team sizes set sanely and empower devs to do what they need to do in order to accomplish the goal, they'll be fine without the management overhead of arbitrarily imposed productivity flow. Agile et al, along with 99% of the features in ticketing systems, exist to make managers feel like they are justifying their paycheck. If you are a manager and this makes you angry…

Just keep in mind that a lot of people equate Agile with Scrum, which is incorrect. Agile is about exactly what you said: empowering devs to get shit done. None of the extra “keep managers happy” crap that Scrum introduces is in any way covered by the Agile manifesto.

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Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by iaaan » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:44 AM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #5

We don't do agile, scrum, standups, etc. We meet 1x week to review where we're at and establish/re-establish priorities for the week if needed, use a ticket system for tasks to track progress, a high-level "weekly goals" shared doc, communicate on Slack as needed, and let the devs actually do the f'ing work the way they know best. If someone can't self-manage and produce without a manager over them, or reach out if t…

How do you handle QA and automated testing?

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by zombiwoof » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:49 AM UTC

Love this. I’ve had anxiety about agile and how I’ve never seen it work well, and the “before days” was in some of the most enjoyable and productive projects until agile came along

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by Tagbert » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:53 AM UTC

foolinaround wrote: post #10

are there places today that don't do some variation of scrum today? Waterfall is pretty much non-existent.

Some teams use Kanban which is a way to manage the number of tasks/tickets and doesn’t generally use sprints. It’s mostly a bug queue of work.

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by mempko » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:54 AM UTC

The secret purpose of Scrum is to get rid of managers and empower the engineering team. Most "scrum" is simply taught wrong because it was sold to companies as a way to squeeze workers.

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by SamuelAdams » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:56 AM UTC

iaaan wrote: post #12

insane_dreamer wrote: post #5

We don't do agile, scrum, standups, etc. We meet 1x week to review where we're at and establish/re-establish priorities for the week if needed, use a ticket system for tasks to track progress, a high-level "weekly goals" shared doc, communicate on Slack as needed, and let the devs actually do the f'ing work the way they know best. If someone can't self-manage and produce without a manager over them, or reach out if t…

How do you handle QA and automated testing?

Be like Microsoft. Fire all your QA. QA is now done by developers and end users.

If a multibillion dollar corporation can do this, so can you!

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by userbinator » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 2:58 AM UTC

foolinaround wrote: post #10

are there places today that don't do some variation of scrum today? Waterfall is pretty much non-existent.

From what I've heard, aerospace and automotive are still largely using waterfall.

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by LeFantome » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 3:01 AM UTC

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #8

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #3

I've learned to hate software process. If you have team sizes set sanely and empower devs to do what they need to do in order to accomplish the goal, they'll be fine without the management overhead of arbitrarily imposed productivity flow. Agile et al, along with 99% of the features in ticketing systems, exist to make managers feel like they are justifying their paycheck. If you are a manager and this makes you angry…

Just keep in mind that a lot of people equate Agile with Scrum, which is incorrect. Agile is about exactly what you said: empowering devs to get shit done. None of the extra “keep managers happy” crap that Scrum introduces is in any way covered by the Agile manifesto.

What in Scrum is about keeping managers happy?

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by saulpw » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 3:05 AM UTC

maximumgeek wrote: post #9

I think back to the early 2000's, and there are other factors in play as well. Back then, I worked with a team of engineers that stayed together for over 4 years. In that time, we did not have Project Managers telling us to do daily standups. We met as an engineering team. We often would go days without having a formal meeting. But, software was different then as well. Everything is interconnected now. One team dropp…

Well you are a manager, can you at least change how things are done for your team?

Re: Why Scrum is stressing you out

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Post by booleandilemma » Sun, Sep 15, 2024, 3:10 AM UTC

We have a woman at my company whose job is to update Jira ticket statuses.

Instead of allowing the developers to update the statuses themselves, she will often prematurely update statuses from "In Development" to "Ready for QA" before any code is merged. Or she'll update a ticket that isn't yet being worked on to "In Development". It repeatedly causes a lot of confusion.

I think she feels the need to be so hands on with updating the statuses in order to justify her job, which, in my opinion, shouldn't exist.